tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post1592886442264261168..comments2024-03-29T08:01:51.705+00:00Comments on The Pub Curmudgeon: Baby and bathwaterCurmudgeonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02558747878308766840noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-79194845217368790602010-11-15T13:09:36.915+00:002010-11-15T13:09:36.915+00:00Just looked at the CAMRA forum - ta for the link M...Just looked at the CAMRA forum - ta for the link Mudgie. It is umm......interesting and I can see why Cookie likes it so much. Such polite CAMRA people who seemingly don't notice they are having their plonkers pulled.<br /><br />Oh and Richard. He is priceless.Tandlemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06804499573827044693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-69466291903563605962010-11-15T12:59:50.911+00:002010-11-15T12:59:50.911+00:00The CAMRA publication I edit never criticises lage...The CAMRA publication I edit never criticises lager or non-real ales. The magazine is distributed in pubs for anyone to read; most readers aren't CAMRA members - many not even real ale drinkers. I'm not going to persuade them to try cask ale by insulting what they're drinking.<br /><br />I also read as many other CAMRA local mags I can get my hands on in the hope I might pick up useful ideas. I simply don't see this ranting bias that you seem to come across so often.<br /><br />I can think of only one explanation. You and Pete Brown share a similar characteristic: you both generalise from isolated incidents. As a result I find this unconvincing because your reported experiences and his are so seriously at odds with mine.Neville Grundyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10923209266005338452noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-14345084250959960382010-11-15T12:27:43.324+00:002010-11-15T12:27:43.324+00:00For my money, my favourite bit of Dicky English lo...For my money, my favourite bit of Dicky English logic was Pete Browns earlier critic of CAMRA and the culture of entitlement vis a vis asking for discounts. Without sense of shame, Dicky made the point that those that had incurred the wrath of Pete Brown were in fact pretending to be CAMRA members.<br /><br />I love Dicky, he's the best bit of the CAMRA forum. More power to him. I have come to the conclusion that he isn't typical of your beer club, but he is vocal enough to make a strong impression of it.<br /><br />Without Dickie I doubt the Campaign for cooking lager would even have coined the term pongy ale.Cooking Lagerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02830924433230427226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-45660650924253157992010-11-15T11:33:57.357+00:002010-11-15T11:33:57.357+00:00Mudgie
I hardly think that Richard English is rep...Mudgie<br /><br />I hardly think that Richard English is representative of anyone but himself. He is unreconstructed and always has been though I only know him from his internet rantings. I'd still say "so what?" Name some others and where to find them?<br /><br />And the "campaign against lager" (whose?) is NOT enshrined in any CAMRA policy. <br /><br />I like your reference to pretentious middle class tossers though.Tandlemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06804499573827044693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-91289707173607430622010-11-15T07:53:44.970+00:002010-11-15T07:53:44.970+00:00"In a British context, good real ale is alway..."In a British context, good real ale is always better than keg or cooking lager. But keg or cooking lager are still far better than Coke"<br /><br />In your opinion. Whilst I'm a lover of real ale and tend to agree with you, I know many friends who'd argue the exact opposite. And it's not just perception, they've tried real ale with me and don't like it as much as lager, or coke for that matter.Mark, Real-Ale-Reviews.comhttp://real-ale-reviews.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-7300409439302754742010-11-14T22:14:58.016+00:002010-11-14T22:14:58.016+00:00Yes, Phil, precisely my point. How can anyone defi...Yes, Phil, precisely my point. How can anyone define "craft beer" in any kind of waterproof way?Curmudgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02558747878308766840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-60587828967987773222010-11-14T22:06:44.509+00:002010-11-14T22:06:44.509+00:00What would 'real' mean, though? As I said ...What would 'real' mean, though? As I said over on Dredge's blog, any alternative definition would end up being a Campaign For The Kind Of Beer My Mates And I Like (And Not The Kind We Don't) - hardly an improvement!Philhttp://ohgoodale.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-47750619924685649692010-11-14T20:26:23.025+00:002010-11-14T20:26:23.025+00:00I don't think CAMRA will ever change there def...I don't think CAMRA will ever change there definition of 'real ale' and to be honest they probably shouldn't. maybe it's time for a new group - CAMRB - the campaign for 'real beer'. I think they shoot themselves in the foot nowadays by limiting themselves to only one 'style' of beer.Ghost Drinkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00753576955816756710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-12571790395119254912010-11-14T19:27:47.133+00:002010-11-14T19:27:47.133+00:00Did CAMRA's Technical Advisory Group sign off ...Did CAMRA's Technical Advisory Group sign off on FastCask, and are TAG's decision subject to ratification anywhere within the CAMRA structure?<br /><br />Your step back gives us a thoughtful counterpoint to the various views. Nice one Mudgie 8-)Sid Bogglehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07452473947039475736noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-1681732782856145242010-11-14T18:03:22.462+00:002010-11-14T18:03:22.462+00:00Is that likely to lead to a redefinition of “real ...<i>Is that likely to lead to a redefinition of “real ale” as stuff produced by obscure small breweries and consumed by pretentious middle-class tossers?</i><br /><br />I've been dancing around saying something like this in various comments sections for the last week - thanks for spelling it out!Philhttp://ohgoodale.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-14785577332632723352010-11-14T16:55:58.020+00:002010-11-14T16:55:58.020+00:00I've never met a 'CAMRA dinosaur' eith...I've never met a 'CAMRA dinosaur' either but I guess they must be out there are as a few people seem to have been wound up by them. <br /><br />I can see the point about not campaigning against other forms of beer but I think people like to have an enemy to hate, I've seen such things in few non-beer related areas.Edhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13844169940650659196noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-15441779167547184182010-11-14T16:07:43.956+00:002010-11-14T16:07:43.956+00:00If you look at CAMRA publications, there still are...If you look at CAMRA publications, there still are far too many generalised denunciations of lager, as such, and of brewery-conditioned bottles. It's not just a few dinosaurs.<br /><br />Our local CAMRA magazine "Opening Times" is an honourable and laudable exception to this - well done to the editor :-)<br /><br />Let me give an example - yesterday I attended a non beer related function at a Beefeater/Premier Inn. I was staying overnight so didn't need to curb my alcohol consumption, although in the context getting ratarsed wouldn't have been good form.<br /><br />At lunchtime, there were a couple of handpumps that were turned round. So I had a couple of pints of cooking lager - Carling and Beck's Vier. It was pleasant and refreshing, no more. Ironically, I thought the Carling was better than the Beck's, even though the latter was 20p more for a pint.<br /><br />In the evening, they put the 6X on, and very good it was, far better than cooking lager. From that example, Good Beer Guide standard.<br /><br />In a British context, good real ale is always better than keg or cooking lager. But keg or cooking lager are still far better than Coke ;-)Curmudgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02558747878308766840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-85965172788357853172010-11-14T15:52:34.775+00:002010-11-14T15:52:34.775+00:00As a CAMRA member for about 26 years, I'm happ...As a CAMRA member for about 26 years, I'm happy with the definition as it stands. It cannot stand for the quality keg beers that I occasionally read about on blogs but never come across in real life, even though my drinking is not confined to one pub or even one town. I suggest a new term for such a product; "craft keg" would seem to fit the bill.<br /><br />Both Pete Brown and you report coming across prejudiced CAMRA dinosaurs who demonstrate bad manners by insulting other people's drinks. I never seem to meet them, even though I drink with CAMRA members from several branches. In my experience, the bigots are few and far between.<br /><br />As Tandleman pointed out, choice is one of CAMRA's aims. Members who denigrate beers they don't like are thus not acting in accordance with those aims. It's therefore a good job there aren't many of them.Neville Grundyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10923209266005338452noreply@blogger.com