tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post4264411477412535725..comments2024-03-25T18:49:00.608+00:00Comments on The Pub Curmudgeon: Culling the stragglersCurmudgeonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02558747878308766840noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-23369732522872223282013-12-03T20:39:41.912+00:002013-12-03T20:39:41.912+00:00@Dimpled Mug - send me an e-mail and I'll let ...@Dimpled Mug - send me an e-mail and I'll let you know (the address is in the sidebar). I don't want to put the kiss of death on pubs in the public domain. The Florist isn't one of the three.Curmudgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02558747878308766840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-5343385507640966432013-12-03T19:29:10.210+00:002013-12-03T19:29:10.210+00:00I did like the Tiviot..on our last visit which was...I did like the Tiviot..on our last visit which was a lock-in on sun afternoon where everyone was smoking. I thought to myself definately one for the blog , but alas i was too slow.<br />(only a couple of months ago too)Dimpled Mughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17024301604096250432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-81533901826096595532013-12-03T19:26:25.257+00:002013-12-03T19:26:25.257+00:00be interested to know which 3 pubs are possibly un...be interested to know which 3 pubs are possibly under threat.(for research purposes)<br />I'll have a guess at the Florist.<br />Dimpled Mughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17024301604096250432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-64688996803887127792013-11-24T16:54:53.701+00:002013-11-24T16:54:53.701+00:00Time is ripe for the BLAME GAME.
WHO not WHAT is t...Time is ripe for the BLAME GAME.<br />WHO not WHAT is to blame for the <br />demise of the Pub Trade?.<br />Lets stop pussy footing about and<br />get some names out in the Public Domain.Come on, you Web Warriors <br />and fellow Keyboard Kommandos list<br />1-10 the culprits<br /><br /><br />ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-5026239563563021092013-11-24T13:02:41.725+00:002013-11-24T13:02:41.725+00:00I've driven past that pub quite a few times wh...I've driven past that pub quite a few times when the road to Sheffield via Castleton is closed. But quite telling I've never been tempted to drop in. It's just in the wrong place for anything but a wet led pub and it's well known they are struggling. It's not in the "trendy" bit of the Peak District or the end/start of any particularly interesting walks or cycling trails. Sad but not surprised.Rob Nicholsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14871887147718814739noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-15968381652591447542013-11-23T20:49:38.148+00:002013-11-23T20:49:38.148+00:00The only way many smaller breweries have survived ...The only way many smaller breweries have survived in recent years is by raising capital from<br />property disposal even at much reduced selling price.Sooner or later the returns from sales at the remaining property stock will be to minimal to justify the continues existence of the company in it's present form<br />A realistic estimate of 18,000+<br />pubs in England and Wales are on the waiting list to be sold when<br />realistic sale values are reached with the upturn in property values.<br />Many of the long standing (like Robinsons) breweries were built up and patronised by a different breed than those we havetoday.<br />Now we have Breweries,Landlords and clientele who cave in to any whimsical law,restriction and regulation. Who cares?<br /><br />pompei 78 Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-28219737209052576452013-11-23T16:31:39.260+00:002013-11-23T16:31:39.260+00:00Do they care about whether they sell youngs bitter...Do they care about whether they sell youngs bitter or care about whether they can afford to pay a dividend?Cooking Lagerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02830924433230427226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-33261965800116421032013-11-23T15:57:19.504+00:002013-11-23T15:57:19.504+00:00Pretty much every integrated brewer that has thoug...Pretty much every integrated brewer that has thought that selling off the brewery and just becoming a pubco was a good idea has eventually lost its identity, though. Young's seem to be doing OK, but will they have an estate of pubs selling Young's Bitter and Special in ten years' time?Curmudgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02558747878308766840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-79731095909899714602013-11-23T15:50:47.323+00:002013-11-23T15:50:47.323+00:00Rather than a new more hard nosed commercial view ...Rather than a new more hard nosed commercial view taking hold you could also view it from the following angle.<br /><br />That they have never been particular paternal or caring about the community. If they were they wouldn't be flogging booze.<br /><br />They just hoped the downturn in business was temporary and then reality bit. They eventually figured that the tatty wet led boozer is in decline and the smart dining pub is on the up.<br /><br />That much of the property wasn't really that valuable for other use so they plodded on until reality bit.<br /><br />What is means longer term is more interesting than a few boozers closing. The newer dining led pubs make most money from food, wine & lagers they buy in.<br /><br />The pubs profits are not really as outlets for the brewery, although they might as well flog the brewery bitter as anyone elses.<br /><br />This means the business is 2 distinct businesses rather that one vertically integrated one. At later generations it isn't brothers working together but cousins. Interesting times.<br /><br />Cooking Lagerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02830924433230427226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-31846026855248192052013-11-23T15:06:58.999+00:002013-11-23T15:06:58.999+00:00Oakwell was a rather different case, though, as th...Oakwell was a rather different case, though, as they had built up an estate of other brewers' and pub companies' cast-offs, many of which had seemed from the start to be of rather doubtful viability.<br /><br />The whole operation seemed financially questionable from the start.Curmudgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02558747878308766840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-35067115094410342322013-11-23T14:57:38.500+00:002013-11-23T14:57:38.500+00:00Oak Brewery, brewers of Barnsley Bitter, have also...Oak Brewery, brewers of Barnsley Bitter, have also been selling off its pubs. The one in Southport, the London, was in my opinion deliberately run down. Not a penny beyond essential maintenance was spent for many years and it became dingy and uninviting. No surprise, then, when it became unviable: it was run into the ground and a valuable piece of land suitable for redevelopment earns the brewery a nice, one-off cash injection. I know Cooking Lager with his Darwinian approach to economics - the survival of the fittest - would argue that it was obviously worth more that way. True, but selling off the family silver is not a sustainable business. At some point you run out of property to sell, and you have no business. Yes, you'll have money in the bank, but no future, no jobs and in the case of a family business, nothing to hand on. It's short termism.Neville Grundyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10923209266005338452noreply@blogger.com