tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post7522491471925678203..comments2024-03-29T08:01:51.705+00:00Comments on The Pub Curmudgeon: Tough on pubs, tough on the causes of pubsCurmudgeonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02558747878308766840noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-33842775688062172392014-05-23T01:00:16.329+01:002014-05-23T01:00:16.329+01:00There's no evidence this was an attack by Labo...There's no evidence this was an attack by Labour supporters - and even if it was, it's hardly going to have had the party's endorsement. I've seen a lot of negative campaigning about UKIP, but nothing that comes anywhere near to calling for Kippers to be attacked.<br /><br />Has UKIP disowned the cowardly prodnoses who called the police because the nasty man said something horrid about their party? And isn't UKIP, by your logic, the one party where you <b>shouldn't</b> find people acting like that?Philhttp://ohgoodale.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-69624556875009384072014-05-21T19:57:39.920+01:002014-05-21T19:57:39.920+01:00Maybe you need to be careful about the company you...<a href="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/ukip-candidate-bobby-anwar-stabbed-in-the-face-in-attack-9410465.html" rel="nofollow">Maybe you need to be careful about the company you're keeping</a>, Phil.<br /><br />Those who have been stirring up anti-UKIP hatred have blood on their hands.Curmudgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02558747878308766840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-6346488504988473332014-05-21T11:14:12.377+01:002014-05-21T11:14:12.377+01:00What is it they say about people in glass houses a...What is it they say about people in glass houses and stones?Curmudgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02558747878308766840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-91254361453835829772014-05-21T11:07:23.421+01:002014-05-21T11:07:23.421+01:00True, but it also says rather a lot about the nast...True, but it also says rather a lot about the nasty, narrow-minded, authoritarian busybody who complained to the police. Careful what company you're keeping.Philhttp://ohgoodale.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-89531061788178189482014-05-12T14:18:23.576+01:002014-05-12T14:18:23.576+01:00Doesn't that really say more about the standar...Doesn't that really say more about the standard of judgment of the police?Curmudgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02558747878308766840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-35761535177271376952014-05-12T13:55:33.281+01:002014-05-12T13:55:33.281+01:00Labour want to control what you eat and drink, but...Labour want to control what you eat and drink, but UKIP want to control what you say<br /><br />http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/may/12/police-ask-blogger-remove-legitimate-tweet-ukip<br /><br />Decide for yourself which is worse.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-13512378169878294812014-05-12T12:51:40.190+01:002014-05-12T12:51:40.190+01:00But all your twitter group is a self selected grou...But all your twitter group is a self selected group of people that already agree with you.<br /><br />The reaction of the main parties toward you kippers, branding you all as nutters and racists creates a bunker mentality that may maintain your support. Why rejoin a mainstream that holds your views in utter contempt?<br /><br />But at some point you'll all have to decide what the point of UKIP is. Is it pressure group on the tories and middle of the road tossers like call me Dave? Is it about immigrants or the gays? or is it about Europe?<br /><br />If it is about Europe, then the time has come to accept you have won. To know how to win. To take the referendum that is offered. It's the only one on the table. You can whine about not trusting the offer, but you can't deliver one yourselves. If it's about Europe, then you now have the choice to win or continue to lose.<br />Cooking Lagerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02830924433230427226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-19360775258070873242014-05-12T10:06:01.105+01:002014-05-12T10:06:01.105+01:00Well, of course to a large extent it is a protest ...Well, of course to a large extent it is a protest vote, but there is a very widespread feeling that the three main parties have stopped listening to ordinary people on a wide range of concerns and instead try to market themselves like different brands of soap powder.<br /><br />The poll has also been shared around Twitter by a number of people so the results won't be representative of blog readers alone. But of course you're free to share it too if you want to redress the balance.Curmudgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02558747878308766840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-43366916515827031022014-05-12T09:51:32.550+01:002014-05-12T09:51:32.550+01:00I rather like the kippers, they seem an entertaini...I rather like the kippers, they seem an entertaining bunch. I suspect they are here to stay as the main parties seem more interested in dismissing them than addressing the concerns they raise.<br /><br />But 90% of the country ain't kippers, and if 90% of your blog readers are kippers then all you are doing is preaching to the converted.<br /><br />The smoking ban got amended in other european countries because people got off there arse and defied it.<br /><br />As far as I can see all that happens now is a few blogs circle wank about it without ever bothering to engage with anyone but themselves.<br /><br />That chap in Blackpool had a bash, was quickly crushed when he found himself a lone voice.<br /><br />The kippers may well win the euro vote but they have little locally active machinery. They turn up & then piss off afterwards. To get an MP you need to campaign locally all year round.<br />Cooking Lagerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02830924433230427226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-26966820538672303252014-05-12T09:34:48.251+01:002014-05-12T09:34:48.251+01:00Well, you could regard taking an MEP's salary ...Well, you could regard taking an MEP's salary and allowances and using it to campaign agains the EU to be a rather neat way of subverting it...Curmudgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02558747878308766840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-61070268267555727032014-05-12T09:07:00.551+01:002014-05-12T09:07:00.551+01:00+1 to Cookie - that majority is positively Bulgari...+1 to Cookie - that majority is positively Bulgarian.<br /><br />It's true that there are <a href="https://harlowtuc.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/wpid-img_36457748562902.jpeg" rel="nofollow">many reasons</a> to vote UKIP. None of those will have any effect at the Euros - but then, nor will any of the other UKIP policies. I guess if you really hated the European Union, voting in somebody who's going to do naff-all other than take an MEP's salary would make a certain kind of Dadaist sense. <br /><br />There's only one genuinely libertarian party standing, as far as I know - the Pirate Party.Philhttp://ohgoodale.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-21816896859012510832014-05-12T08:21:45.617+01:002014-05-12T08:21:45.617+01:00I think your poll only proves one thing. The degre...I think your poll only proves one thing. The degree of self selection in your audience, and the narrow selection of people you attract to read your tosh.Cooking Lagerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02830924433230427226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-89926538619298404862014-05-11T16:40:12.072+01:002014-05-11T16:40:12.072+01:00Today's politicians wouldn't be able to bu...Today's politicians wouldn't be able to build up the necessary network of contacts and personal empires required to progress in politics if they had to have "Real World Experience".M.Lawrensonhttp://seeingthelizards.blogspot.co.uk/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-13227567177372328662014-05-11T16:35:37.772+01:002014-05-11T16:35:37.772+01:00There was a time, though, when most senior politic...There was a time, though, when most senior politicians had real-world experience. The phenomenon of PPE degree, non-job as political bag-carrier, parachuted into safe seat - is a relatively recent development.Curmudgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02558747878308766840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-51571456120073828292014-05-11T16:31:53.383+01:002014-05-11T16:31:53.383+01:00And the Tories, Lib Dems, UKIP etc. regard the wor...And the Tories, Lib Dems, UKIP etc. regard the working class any differently?<br /><br />Put it this way, anyone reaching a decision-making position in a political party is likely to have a certain background and education. Usually upper-middle class, privately educated, with a degree in PPE from Oxbridge. <br /><br />That type of person, generally regards the working classes as scum. Useful scum, perhaps, but one that is only fit to be bullied, cajoled and coerced into doing whatever is necessary to maintain the wealth and privilege of their rulers and betters.<br /><br />Of course they want workers to be healthy. It means they can work longer and harder for the middle and upper classes.M.Lawrensonhttp://seeingthelizards.blogspot.co.uk/noreply@blogger.com