tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post8171470383940689720..comments2024-03-28T17:11:52.333+00:00Comments on The Pub Curmudgeon: Taking the low roadCurmudgeonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02558747878308766840noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-9351754169612044842014-12-11T19:17:40.672+00:002014-12-11T19:17:40.672+00:00Saying "one drink will put you over" is ...Saying "one drink will put you over" is IMV counterproductive as people know it is untrue and it erodes the credibility of the message. <br /><br /><a href="http://www.pubcurmudgeon.org.uk/dd/ddfacts.html" rel="nofollow">This official booklet</a> from 1986 does grudgingly admit that (with an 80mg limit) 3 units won't take you anywhere near.<br /><br />There's also a great reluctance to provide people with any information about how to work out whether they will be over the limit the following morning. Saying "if you've had anything to drink, don't drive the following day" is utter bollocks.Curmudgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02558747878308766840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-64200835054940903242014-12-11T19:02:27.847+00:002014-12-11T19:02:27.847+00:00Thanks, indeed I had seen that post before and som...Thanks, indeed I had seen that post before and some other info on the same lines. After I posted, I thought it might read that I meant I would drink over the limit except for the punishment - my intention rather was to express that even though I know with as much certainty as I could have short of a test that I would be under the limit under the circumstances you describe - I would still worry. The official li(n)e is that "one drink will put you over" so "don't risk it - you will have a minimum 20 year criminal record". Probably true if you are an 8 st woman who downs a pint of Stella and jumps straight in the motor. For others, not true. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-59399264649204342342014-12-11T12:56:29.324+00:002014-12-11T12:56:29.324+00:00@Anon - see this post. There is an element of over...@Anon - see <a href="http://pubcurmudgeon.blogspot.co.uk/2014/10/sowing-paranoia.html" rel="nofollow">this post</a>. There is an element of overreaction here, particularly if a police officer says if you've had a chocolate liqueur you shouldn't drive for 24 hours.<br /><br />Given that people's weight and metabolism varies so much, it's impossible to predict accurately what maximum BAC will result from a particular alcohol intake. However, I would say that, if you're a man of average or above weight, and your pint is 4.0% or less, it's vanishingly unlikely it will take you over 50 mg or indeed anywhere close to it. The same is true of two pints over the course of an evening from 8 pm to 11 pm - by the time you've finished, the first one will be fully metabolised.Curmudgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02558747878308766840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-42000744623617706582014-12-11T12:46:49.995+00:002014-12-11T12:46:49.995+00:00I think there will be some stigma given that the p...I think there will be some stigma given that the penalty is far more severe than for speeding. However, many will take the view that anyone convicted with a BAC in the 50-80 range was simply unfortunate and has done nothing morally wrong.Curmudgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02558747878308766840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-48365864879912181722014-12-11T12:15:00.497+00:002014-12-11T12:15:00.497+00:00One example of how being caught will be less of a ...One example of how being caught will be less of a stigma is if the limit is low enough to catch those visiting B&Q on a Saturday morning after a convivial dinner party at home on the Friday night. Jonathan Bagleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17331501151709216753noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-11610108001461820032014-12-11T12:10:01.166+00:002014-12-11T12:10:01.166+00:00I think there is an unforeseen consequence to very...I think there is an unforeseen consequence to very low drink drive limits. Being convicted becomes less of the stigma it is now. It becomes more like getting caught speeding, which itself is now regarded as little more than a parking ticket. The number of cameras and less leeway has increased speeding convictions so much that a speeding conviction no longer automatically results in an increased insurance premium.Jonathan Bagleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17331501151709216753noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-17386122053823655852014-12-11T00:10:58.353+00:002014-12-11T00:10:58.353+00:00I wonder how it is working so far? It's been ...I wonder how it is working so far? It's been very quiet since a bit of media circusry on the 5th.<br /><br />I'm disappointed that in the mainstream media there has been virtually no questioning of the lies the police have spouted during their rebranding of potential offenders from "drink drivers" to "drivers who drink". A senior police figure even stated that if you had to drive at all the next day you should have no alcohol at all at night as the effects of any drink would last well into the next day.<br /><br />Will I still have a pint and drive? Probably (though I haven't yet). Will I have two even if I am out all night? Probably not, as even though the chance of getting caught is very small, the punishment for infraction is very large. Casino justice and disproportionate penalties make bad laws. But the worm of doubt has burrowed into the skull.<br /><br />(I've commented before but no name on this one - after all, who knows who's watching :\ ?)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-30128215291492599262014-12-07T22:36:16.909+00:002014-12-07T22:36:16.909+00:00Have you any figures for "the cost of acciden...Have you any figures for "the cost of accidents and all the economic impact" caused by drivers with between 50 and 80 mg of alcohol per 100 ml of blood?<br />Ian Dalzielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04145394208949245264noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-15417943491173627612014-12-07T17:56:49.909+00:002014-12-07T17:56:49.909+00:00It doesn't go far enough. The only way to stop...It doesn't go far enough. The only way to stop this scourge is a zero limit and a law stating that, if you have drunk any alcohol whatsoever, you cannot drive for at least a month.Prohibition Percynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-42740542305356343832014-12-07T11:15:25.738+00:002014-12-07T11:15:25.738+00:00As your very own CAMRA advocated a policy that you...As your very own CAMRA advocated a policy that you should not be allowed to drink if you cannot afford pub prices, how is this different from you should not be allowed to drink if you cannot afford a taxi fare?Temperance Timnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-21365400234272812442014-12-06T20:24:20.928+00:002014-12-06T20:24:20.928+00:00Will the so called clamp down on
festive drinking ...Will the so called clamp down on<br />festive drinking include the Sunday afternoon restaurant trade,<br />early morning commuter trade and of course 5-8 pm office guzzlers,<br />no chance ,as in the past the prime targets set forth in police directives will be 10pm -2am time brackets. We all know the police would have a massive haul of successfull prosecutions if they <br />pursued the daylight drunkards yet their resources are overwhelmingly concentrated on late evening. In simple words <br />another pub hating frenzy hiding under bandages and shrouds.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-39852329790063078472014-12-06T18:01:06.430+00:002014-12-06T18:01:06.430+00:00The reality is that in most rural areas the combin...The reality is that in most rural areas the combined effect of reduced police manpower and astute policing by the cops who are there mean drink-driving is tolerated more than in urban areas.<br />The majority of rural road fatalities are boy racers who've never been near a pub rather than Mr Four Pints A Night Careful Driver.<br />Who occasionally is the local plod.Stanley Blenkinsopnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-54814622191497897622014-12-06T10:01:40.763+00:002014-12-06T10:01:40.763+00:00Paul Bailey, is this what REAL people are thinking...Paul Bailey, is this what REAL people are thinking? Please tell me who are the'politically correct'? Why is alcohol consumption and drink driving an issue for the politically correct? Are people who are not politically correct unconcerned with drink driving and therefore happy to subsidise the cost of accidents and all the economic impact those drink driving accidents cause? Perhaps the politically correct are just not binary thinkers. As I said the use of the term in that context was puerile and nothing to do with political correctness just an excuse to use the expression. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-52697881925572311762014-12-05T19:31:16.312+00:002014-12-05T19:31:16.312+00:00Not as puerile as the politically correct themselv...Not as puerile as the politically correct themselves, anonymous!Paul Baileyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09678639237696546268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-83931404999525551642014-12-05T17:46:05.022+00:002014-12-05T17:46:05.022+00:00https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BtTbmcfIcAAVytO.jpghttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/BtTbmcfIcAAVytO.jpgCooking Lagerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02830924433230427226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-70089510066356063932014-12-05T17:10:11.995+00:002014-12-05T17:10:11.995+00:00The politically correct, what a puerile turn of ph...The politically correct, what a puerile turn of phrase. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-40364640219182870562014-12-05T14:39:45.628+00:002014-12-05T14:39:45.628+00:00Indeed, I commented on it here - using some of the...Indeed, I commented on it <a href="http://pubcurmudgeon.blogspot.co.uk/2013/01/take-me-home-country-roads.html" rel="nofollow">here</a> - using some of the same points and phrases as in the above post. Curmudgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02558747878308766840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-50780949497562072082014-12-05T14:20:16.802+00:002014-12-05T14:20:16.802+00:00Remember this in Ireland? http://www.huffingtonpos...Remember this in Ireland? http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/01/22/ireland-drink-driving-depression-kerry-_n_2524868.html Stonchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07001578598975666535noreply@blogger.com