tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post9099056393147214377..comments2024-03-29T08:01:51.705+00:00Comments on The Pub Curmudgeon: Heritage brewCurmudgeonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02558747878308766840noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-76045126069550347372018-12-18T14:57:38.932+00:002018-12-18T14:57:38.932+00:00Yes indeed, in his first speech as Chairman to an ...Yes indeed, in his first speech as Chairman to an AGM Colin reflected on “forty years of achievement”, questioned what “craft beer” is, criticised the Blogeratti reminding us that “we are the Campaign for Real Ale, which one of those four words do the Blogeratti not understand?”, adding “if they want to start up their own organisation dedicated to campaigning for keg beer with hops in it then they can maybe call it CamKeg, then be my guest” and ending “while I have anything to do with it we will remain the Campaign for Real Ale”.<br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eayy2XkrUpk5<br />But that was in April 2011 long before he decided to go along with the so called Revitalisation Project. <br />The Stafford Mudgienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-59727487431068943472018-12-18T13:54:21.883+00:002018-12-18T13:54:21.883+00:00Brewdog made their name sticking it to 'the ma...Brewdog made their name sticking it to 'the man'. Now, they are 'the man'.electricpicshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09144970068645280352noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-67046909283004485932018-12-18T11:39:56.681+00:002018-12-18T11:39:56.681+00:00Yes, much of what people gush over today is likely...Yes, much of what people gush over today is likely to prove very here-today-gone-tomorrow. How long before Beavertown and Cloudwater are considered old hat? BrewDog already are to some extent.Curmudgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02558747878308766840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-23286235834518630322018-12-18T11:31:38.974+00:002018-12-18T11:31:38.974+00:00Didn't Colin Valentine once say something alon...Didn't Colin Valentine once say something along the lines of "if you want to campaign for keg beers, start your own organisation"?Curmudgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02558747878308766840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-42667158107812461162018-12-18T08:46:04.424+00:002018-12-18T08:46:04.424+00:00In the future the trendy bars and beers so beloved...In the future the trendy bars and beers so beloved of the millennial generation will also become the subject of misty eyed reminiscing. But of course they won't, because the nature of trends means a tradition can never be established. The pubs and breweries we know and love are being replaced by transient converted shops, warehouses and factory units and most of them will be lucky if they see more than ten years. Even the older established micro brewers are looked at as boring now. electricpicshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09144970068645280352noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-38113984483524030102018-12-17T15:53:36.203+00:002018-12-17T15:53:36.203+00:00Maybe the time has come for a new organisation to ...Maybe the time has come for a new organisation to cater for those whose interest in the sphere of beer and pubs is primarily in the preservationist arena.<br />Or maybe the time has come for a new organisation to cater for those whose interest is in promoting keg beer, cans and trendy bars.The Stafford Mudgienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-43904442589116359532018-12-16T16:00:37.258+00:002018-12-16T16:00:37.258+00:00Well, as I said, you can never pin it down precise...Well, as I said, you can never pin it down precisely, but that's no reason for airily dismissing it.<br /><br />Far worse is the attitude that nothing is worth preserving, and that the world needs to be made anew.Curmudgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02558747878308766840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-24074044449904067542018-12-15T16:16:48.137+00:002018-12-15T16:16:48.137+00:00The problem I have with 'tradition' is tha...The problem I have with 'tradition' is that those who hanker after it so often miss the point - that it is largely arbitrary and dependent on subjective preferences, often directly linked to the age of the preferer. <br /><br />Everything evolves and changes. The 1960s are no more 'traditional' than the 1900s. The 1900s are no more 'traditional' than the 1830s. Everyone who ever lived lived in modern times. <br /> <br />What you consider to be traditional beers and pubs were once new and different to what had gone before. How far back do you want to go? One could argue convincingly that 'traditional' is a time before beer was hopped and before pubs as we know them existed - yet I suspect this is not what you are driving at. At some point in the future, people will likely be reminiscing about heritage microbreweries in railway arches and traditional contactless payments.<br /><br />It's all fundamentally subjective. Those who campaign for 'traditional counties', for example. Or steam railways (what's wrong with horse-drawn railways? etc.) Or the Amish community. Or indeed, much as it is a love of mine, 'traditional music'. It's all arbitrary - we're basically picking a time that we personally like and arguing that stuff from this particular era is better than anything before or since. <br /><br />'Heritage' and the preservation thereof is a noble aim, but it should probably encompass all of history, not just the bits one might personally happen to like.Ben Viveurhttp://www.benviveur.co.uknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-18349653042816436342018-12-15T13:38:06.648+00:002018-12-15T13:38:06.648+00:00A personal benefit for me would be as a travel res...A personal benefit for me would be as a travel resource. (I am not sure this justifies it:)) The existence of such a finely focused site would, in my opinion, encourage specialized travel. I think a site like this would bring a nice focus on English brewing traditions as we visit the country. The site would not have to be a campaigning one; Its mere existence though could increase foot traffic in traditional pubs and interest in traditional breweries. Davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04039590363732278703noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-16084240246586626982018-12-15T08:12:38.635+00:002018-12-15T08:12:38.635+00:00Life would be very dull if we all liked the same t...Life would be very dull if we all liked the same thing.Curmudgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02558747878308766840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-52486335557080779062018-12-14T18:46:02.197+00:002018-12-14T18:46:02.197+00:00Love proper heritage pubs, but heritage beer is no...Love proper heritage pubs, but heritage beer is not really my thing. <br /><br />Citrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12931208325160466560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-34062260960635389322018-12-14T16:08:52.518+00:002018-12-14T16:08:52.518+00:00I would support this group. I mainly drink our loc...I would support this group. I mainly drink our local brew Wadworths which is excellent. I also love Bathams, Holdens, Sam Smiths, Taylors, and Joules. I do not like craft grapefruit keg beers !Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-14932082872331167882018-12-14T15:12:10.241+00:002018-12-14T15:12:10.241+00:00I whole heartedly agree with you. When I wrote my ...I whole heartedly agree with you. When I wrote my business plan I wrote that we will produce traditional British beer. We do, using traditional hops such as Fuggles and Goldings East Kent hops. One brew is based on an 1850 Scottish recipe for table beer which I modified to up the ABV to 3.7%. I do the range, light pale ale, bitter, best bitter (4.4%), Strong bitter (pale) 5.5%, a porter at 5%, an imperial stout and a high strength hoppy IPA, plus a couple of others. I make a lager too using traditional methods as in German largering. Just produced what I think of as a Blue Bass clone. I used to enjoy a pint of draught Blue Bass years ago so this is my homage to it. 5% ABV of course. The Burton heritage Brewery want some to try and sell locally. The kicker is getting the name right without getting a legal letter and threats. Any ideas? At the moment It's called Blu Xmas.Dr Evilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00176521760477086914noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-3852970697679193372018-12-14T09:22:28.815+00:002018-12-14T09:22:28.815+00:00I am at a loss to understand the need for such a f...I am at a loss to understand the need for such a forum. If it is not to be a campaigning one then it would be little more than another beer log with which we are already well served. Indeed your description of "Heritage Brew" could well be a description of this very blog, or the "Beer and Pubs Forum".<br /><br />(Please don't take this as just a negative attack; rather a devil's advocate wanting to encourage discussion)dcbwhaleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02585310584555592882noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-45675930054850146472018-12-14T08:53:51.709+00:002018-12-14T08:53:51.709+00:00An organisation that celebrates the heritage of Ba...An organisation that celebrates the heritage of Bass, Joules, Hook Norton and proper pubs? Sounds ideal - Count me in!Vaux Wanderernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-16373366929065209752018-12-14T08:22:44.133+00:002018-12-14T08:22:44.133+00:00Unless you can guarantee cellophane packets of Dai...Unless you can guarantee cellophane packets of Dairylea and crackers I'm resigning.TheWickingMannoreply@blogger.com