tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post1294262163058717868..comments2024-03-29T08:01:51.705+00:00Comments on The Pub Curmudgeon: Left defencelessCurmudgeonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02558747878308766840noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-45641980959774505532016-08-14T09:00:17.722+01:002016-08-14T09:00:17.722+01:00I'd never realised until I went to photograph ...I'd never realised until I went to photograph it yesterday that the Waterloo had a small car park at the rear.Curmudgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02558747878308766840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-53929252864697011762016-08-11T11:59:49.757+01:002016-08-11T11:59:49.757+01:00Yes indeed. That was my one and only visit there I...Yes indeed. That was my one and only visit there I think.John Clarkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00132845616834779091noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-90149058282551086672016-08-11T11:55:48.178+01:002016-08-11T11:55:48.178+01:00@John - I remember calling in there with you on th...@John - I remember calling in there with you on the way back from visiting the Royal Cottage on the Buxton-Leek road.Curmudgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02558747878308766840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-41405859791676746672016-08-11T11:21:43.583+01:002016-08-11T11:21:43.583+01:00That's right - there was a comment in Opening ...That's right - there was a comment in Opening Times about this and this provoked a letter from Peter Robinson no less. They sold this one about 10 years ago since when the new owner appears to have done nothing with it. John Clarkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00132845616834779091noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-55021015869340896302016-08-11T10:44:59.735+01:002016-08-11T10:44:59.735+01:00Being from Merseyside, I don't know any of the...Being from Merseyside, I don't know any of these pubs, but it's sad to see such a trail of destruction anywhere.RedNevhttp://rednev-rearm.blogspot.co.uk/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-57705255255076918732016-08-11T10:27:18.105+01:002016-08-11T10:27:18.105+01:00Another in that category is the Swan on the A6 in ...Another in that category is the Swan on the A6 in New Mills Newtown, of which I'm sure you've told me that Robinsons are baffled why the new owners have done nothing with it for years.Curmudgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02558747878308766840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-83858125870681190362016-08-11T10:05:25.843+01:002016-08-11T10:05:25.843+01:00They don't actually. There are a couple in Sto...They don't actually. There are a couple in Stockport that have been "mothballed" but generally they sell their closed pubs as quickly as they can and any subsequent boarding up is down to the new owners and not Robinsons.John Clarkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00132845616834779091noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-45374067454417983382016-08-11T08:44:42.451+01:002016-08-11T08:44:42.451+01:00They do have a propensity for leaving closed pubs...They do have a propensity for leaving closed pubs boarded up. The Grove in Buxton being a particularly annoying example, situated as it is in a architecturally significant part of the town.dcbwhaleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02585310584555592882noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-6981604623001292232016-08-11T05:47:36.558+01:002016-08-11T05:47:36.558+01:00Oh, I entirely accept that Robinsons do make an ef...Oh, I entirely accept that Robinsons do make an effort to find new tenants but, as you say, the elephant in the room is that, without price support, many of their wet-led urban pubs are simply unviable in that trading format. Also see <a href="https://twitter.com/Atlantean7001/status/763281132574179328" rel="nofollow">this tweet</a> from Stuart Vallantine. <br /><br />Clearly Punch do think it's worthwhile to offer sufficient support to enable the tenant or lessee of the Bobby Peel to sell Fosters and John Smith's at £2 a pint.Curmudgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02558747878308766840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-43270214956995533332016-08-10T18:26:06.678+01:002016-08-10T18:26:06.678+01:00That is a shame as i did most Robinsons tied house...That is a shame as i did most Robinsons tied houses in Greater Manchester and Derbyshire plus quite a few in Cheshire,i only missed out on the North Wales ones.<br />Been to Stockport loads of times pub crawling either with the wife or in later years on my own.<br />I love the town and have done all pubs you said had closed.Alan Winfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13143831341388857795noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-89288946922402400202016-08-10T11:15:44.836+01:002016-08-10T11:15:44.836+01:00In fairness to Robinsons they closed and sold the ...In fairness to Robinsons they closed and sold the Royal Mortar years ago (back in the day when a Robbies closure was something of a rarity) so its current state of dereliction is down to whoever owns it now. Shame about the Tiviot - I do think they might have kept that going if it hadn't been falling down.<br /><br />They do also have quite an extensive tenant support package but I don't think this extends to the price of the beer - which of course is the elephant in the room.John Clarkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00132845616834779091noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-41194502040198963182016-08-10T09:39:37.696+01:002016-08-10T09:39:37.696+01:00It's a mixture - a few have been taken over by...It's a mixture - a few have been taken over by others as pubs, some sold for alternative use, some for residential development. They have retained some such as Cobden's (ex Manchester Arms) for possible future reopening. Others, such as the Royal Mortar on Higher Hillgate, have just been left derelict for years.<br /><br />To their credit, my understanding is that none have been sold with restrictive covenants preventing reuse as a pub.Curmudgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02558747878308766840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-27616119811942013602016-08-10T08:29:10.692+01:002016-08-10T08:29:10.692+01:00What are Robbies doing with their closed pubs? Are...What are Robbies doing with their closed pubs? Are they leaving them boarded up or are they selling them for alternative use, generating cash for some of their other projects such as the "Visitor Centre" or collaborative products? Historically the company were pretty frugal but the current generation have a very different perspective.Malcolm Nichollshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04114433389090892217noreply@blogger.com