tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post249828082376594319..comments2024-03-29T08:01:51.705+00:00Comments on The Pub Curmudgeon: Feel the qualityCurmudgeonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02558747878308766840noreply@blogger.comBlogger35125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-73221924677828426972018-02-06T13:31:58.136+00:002018-02-06T13:31:58.136+00:00A bit like a meeting of the Dog's Trust being ...A bit like a meeting of the Dog's Trust being attended by a member of Cat's Protection who says that cats can also be nice animals. There isn't really any argument but it wasn't a relevant comment. The other Mudgie !noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-63860520612690122072018-02-04T22:15:38.289+00:002018-02-04T22:15:38.289+00:00It's an easy mistake.
But all's well that ...It's an easy mistake.<br />But all's well that ends well.<br />Professor Pie-TinAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-65425661641934273632018-02-04T11:02:36.804+00:002018-02-04T11:02:36.804+00:00Thanks Mudge.
(The good lady rolls her eyes.)Thanks Mudge.<br /><br />(The good lady rolls her eyes.)Ethelred The Unsteadynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-51010934759931874712018-02-04T10:57:32.803+00:002018-02-04T10:57:32.803+00:00If you use the "Name/URL" option, you ca...If you use the "Name/URL" option, you can attach a name to a comment without setting up an account, which is exactly what the Prof has done. It does help in following the drift of the discussion.Curmudgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02558747878308766840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-30126901578663196242018-02-04T09:28:34.685+00:002018-02-04T09:28:34.685+00:00Prof me ol' flower.
I'm really quite sure...Prof me ol' flower.<br /><br />I'm really quite sure, that I can't be bothered to set up a named blogging account.<br /><br />Need any help with anything else?<br /><br />Cheers, ETU.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-48535767865905604732018-02-04T08:11:15.371+00:002018-02-04T08:11:15.371+00:00Well I know when I get pissed I reckon I can just ...Well I know when I get pissed I reckon I can just about do anything so maybe that's not such a bad idea.<br />What I can't do though is understand why someone would post something as Anonymous then sign off as Ethelred The Unsteady.<br />Perhaps Ethelred The Unsure might be more appropriate ?<br />Professor Pie-Tinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-11927063773059506712018-02-03T17:18:42.692+00:002018-02-03T17:18:42.692+00:00I can imagine the reaction in some (all?) branches...I can imagine the reaction in some (all?) branches if an when when younger members start suggesting that some keg beer is actually very good and shouldn't CAMRA start reflecting the views of younger, more progressive members. electricpicshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09144970068645280352noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-56787456354574625752018-02-03T14:10:19.398+00:002018-02-03T14:10:19.398+00:00@Stono
I'd disagree - in recent months I'...@Stono <br />I'd disagree - in recent months I've had a fair bit of poor-to-middling Landlord in London pubs that think it's an easy one to put on the bar, but they just can't look after it. Mind you, even some Timmy pubs are guilty of not conditioning it properly....qqnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-72739841927752951902018-02-03T14:07:47.292+00:002018-02-03T14:07:47.292+00:00The trouble is that there's two ways to interp...The trouble is that there's two ways to interpret "low quality real ale", and it looks like huge energy will be absorbed by people fighting between the two interpretations.<br /><br />On the one hand, you've got very valid concerns about what happens in the pub cellar, causing objective changes in the beer for the worse - measureable stuff like levels of acetic acid etc. Traditionally this has been Cask Marque's area, but it seems like CAMRA are finally paying attention to it, and it's what I understand their concern about "beer quality" is mostly about.<br /><br />However you also have people wanting to refight the US craft wars, like Roger Protz who says "the threats to good beer come...from factory beers brewed by global giants" - which is a lot more subjective. And ignores the fact that eg InBev have beers like Bourbon County that rated higher than anything by eg Mikeller, Cloudwater or Alchemist.<br /><br />The trouble is people need to be clear what they're talking about when they say "good beer", otherwise you just get people fighting about subjectivity when people are really talking about vinegar, and vice versa.qqnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-62271170393350672002018-02-03T11:25:51.832+00:002018-02-03T11:25:51.832+00:00I have heard that younger members of CAMRA are put...I have heard that younger members of CAMRA are put off from getting involved or attending Branch meetings because we are old and staid and in some way off-putting. Which may be true?<br />So we are to revitalise the Campaign and whilst recognising real ale as “the pinnacle of the brewer’s art”, and that we should encourage greater acceptance of “quality” beers that do not fall within the definition of “real ale”. So what will we now be campaigning for? <br />What will actually excite all these disenfranchised members to get out and do something? Argue with landlords in their pubs about the quality of their beers? Harangue brewers about ditto? Or ... I dunno, you tell me?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01844676316009401973noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-28390442761964455932018-02-03T01:00:08.387+00:002018-02-03T01:00:08.387+00:00"you're not allowed to be middle of the r..."you're not allowed to be middle of the road or just plod along..."<br /><br />From what I understand on this side of the pond not even the Plod plod along the streets any more. ;)Russtovichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11493687426847380993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-66028779992898423802018-02-02T23:06:57.721+00:002018-02-02T23:06:57.721+00:00I don’t agree that "Red Barrel belonged to a ...I don’t agree that "Red Barrel belonged to a specific market segment of premium keg beers whose recipes had been deliberately dumbed down and blandified to appeal to a mass market."<br />I was born too late for Watneys Red Barrel but I don’t recall Watneys Red as having ingredients inferior, such as maize or rice, to other Watneys Mortlake beers or a lower hop rating and it was in fact, other than brews for export, their strongest ‘draught’ beer.<br />I would suggest that there were only three things wrong with Watneys Red. It was filtered, it was pasteurised and it was pressurised.<br />The other Mudgie !noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-35475803951681231122018-02-02T21:25:37.456+00:002018-02-02T21:25:37.456+00:00Disagree - when CAMRA was formed, its basic point ...Disagree - when CAMRA was formed, its basic point was that, all other things being equal, for British-style ales, cask-conditioning was the best way of presenting them. It wasn't just different from top pressure and keg.Curmudgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02558747878308766840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-73877066514043923242018-02-02T18:09:39.807+00:002018-02-02T18:09:39.807+00:00bottled landlord is notoriously hit and miss, to t...bottled landlord is notoriously hit and miss, to the point I deliberately avoid it, though I have a rule that says if its on when I walk into a pub,thats the 1st beer because its usually a sign the landlord knows what they are doing because its a tricky beer to handle.<br /><br />In fact you could argue they did try and "de-cask/keg" it, remember when it suddenly became popular after Madonna had said it was her favourite drink, so many pubs were taking it on because it was "fashionable", but struggled to cope with it as the yeast they use really aggressively ferments, so they toned down the recipe, and it became more widely available but generally tasted nothing like as good as it did, and when the next fashion drink fad came along, they watched their sales nosedive off a cliff. So they went back to the old recipe and its back to how it was, and generally only the places that take it on know it needs care.<br /><br />and worth pointing out not all keg dispense is automatically "quality",because you can vary the pressure, and despite craft bars being given the advice and told how to set it up, its quite common to find the pressure gets set too high or too low, which does greatly alter the resultant beer taste.Stonohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02656315721111561414noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-13903077721864577142018-02-02T18:08:25.726+00:002018-02-02T18:08:25.726+00:00Well, prof, as I say, maybe CAMRA should write utt...Well, prof, as I say, maybe CAMRA should write utter tosh on the side of a bus? You know, "Real Ale Can Improve The Laws Of Physics", that sort of thing?<br /><br />Seems to be quite effective on some people.<br /><br />Cheers, Ethelred The UnsteadyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-62898499318584556222018-02-02T17:55:53.940+00:002018-02-02T17:55:53.940+00:00totally agree, this "quality" thing is d...totally agree, this "quality" thing is definitely looking to be of the "beer wot I like" measure, and who gets to decide it, the NE, branches, AGM, twitter ?. Ive seen a number of the craft fans say things like well its just the mass produced stuff thats not quality that you can buy in supermarkets, till you point out things like well that probably includes Brewdog then. And Doom bar is the perfect beer example Sharps were a micro brewery, producing award winning ales, so youd say yep tick the quality box revitalised CAMRA will support them, but hold on they were taken over by a mass producer of beer so does that mean some revitalised CAMRA members would choose not to support them anymore as its no longer "quality", even though the beer is the same and the brewers would certainly strongly argue it was and met any quality measure anyone tried to chuck at it, even if it feels that its wider availability has diluted it somewhat, but alot of that as is Greene Kings curse is down to its handling in those wider available pubs.<br /><br />and I really cant see any of those issues being debated or changed through this vote the members will get on revitalisation,in fact they cant that was the Liverpool AGMs discovery a special resolution can only be voted on, the wording cant be altered even if the adoption of it turns out to not be what anyone wants at all, and almost certainly as at Liverpool the decision will be carried by the votes not in the hall, who wont have heard any of the debates, discussion and often very valid criticisms about what it is they voted on.Stonohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02656315721111561414noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-54923189819448882622018-02-02T13:46:51.538+00:002018-02-02T13:46:51.538+00:00This seems like a lot of slightly OTT reactions to...This seems like a lot of slightly OTT reactions to me - the RP proposals are pretty clear that they should remain the Campaign for Real Ale and not the Campaign for Quality Beer. Unless I'm missing something, all that they do suggest is that they'd be more effective as a campaign for Real Ale if they acknowledged that some British non-real ale is worth drinking rather than either denying or ignoring the fact.DaveShttp://brewinabedsit.blogspot.co.uknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-64478784722669814642018-02-02T13:34:16.072+00:002018-02-02T13:34:16.072+00:00I don't actually agree that that is the fundam...I don't actually agree that that is the fundamental premise of CAMRA - their fundamental premise is that cask is important, good, potentially at-risk and hence worth campaigning for. That's not necessarily the same as saying that it's always objectively better. People who campaign to protect hen harriers don't do it because they think that hen harriers are actually better than buzzards or kestrels or whatever, it's just that they don't want to see them wiped out...DaveShttp://brewinabedsit.blogspot.co.uknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-17535561918121497032018-02-02T10:55:30.545+00:002018-02-02T10:55:30.545+00:00Harry and Paul nailed it comprehensively with this...Harry and Paul nailed it comprehensively with this.<br />www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3tUqRBiMVo<br />I try occasionally to watch it but always with a heavy heart and last night was no different - it ended with the dreaded words " on next week's panel Emily Thornberry. "<br />That'll be her 6th appearance on the programme since the EU referendum.The BBC doesn't even try to hide its bias these days.Professsor Pie-Tinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-33031636774012928642018-02-02T08:47:36.149+00:002018-02-02T08:47:36.149+00:00Bottled Landlord is surely as close to keg as it g...Bottled Landlord is surely as close to keg as it gets? More carbonation than draught but otherwise brewery conditioned. electricpicshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09144970068645280352noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-46100205300014845502018-02-02T07:21:56.189+00:002018-02-02T07:21:56.189+00:00But the fundamental premise of CAMRA is that cask ...But the fundamental premise of CAMRA is that cask is better than non-cask. I don't think there actually is keg Landlord, but there certainly is keg Wadworth's 6X and keg Pedigree.Curmudgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02558747878308766840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-61326084072486989852018-02-02T07:19:06.544+00:002018-02-02T07:19:06.544+00:00No, in the early days of CAMRA there were far more...No, in the early days of CAMRA there were far more different forms of non-real beer - blanket pressure, top pressure, tank beer, bright beer, Hull Brewery ceramic cellar jars etc. Certainly not just "keg". If anything, things are simpler now.Curmudgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02558747878308766840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-58044318897381313262018-02-01T23:27:54.870+00:002018-02-01T23:27:54.870+00:00'Cloudwater Badger Jizz DIPA'
This made ...'Cloudwater Badger Jizz DIPA' <br /><br />This made me laugh out loud. Agree in general with what your saying.Kieran Lyonshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10309306469722070363noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-66504253135959891782018-02-01T22:55:03.767+00:002018-02-01T22:55:03.767+00:00I call them the Question Time crowd... stopped wat...I call them the Question Time crowd... stopped watching that programme 12 months agoBritain Beermathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06096636784719969464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-77754692169773496052018-02-01T22:51:32.975+00:002018-02-01T22:51:32.975+00:00Another great thought provoking post... pedigree i...Another great thought provoking post... pedigree is a great pint and I had a very decent Ruddles best in a spoons today....society now in Britain is black and white you're not allowed to be middle of the road or just plod along... everybody wants a definitive I'm in this camp or that camp stance camra just reflects that as it's oh so trendy to sneer at anyone who doesn't follow the crowd Britain Beermathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06096636784719969464noreply@blogger.com