tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post3822650993301151390..comments2024-03-25T18:49:00.608+00:00Comments on The Pub Curmudgeon: Two steps back, one step forwardCurmudgeonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02558747878308766840noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-34800346097728031392016-02-03T20:14:11.958+00:002016-02-03T20:14:11.958+00:00I was one of those smokers who decided to stop pat...I was one of those smokers who decided to stop patronising the newly inaptly-named hospitality industry when the smoking ban came in. Haven't been in a restaurant for eight and a half years and reluctantly in one pub once a year when I leave as soon as I decently can and without spending any money.<br /><br />Not sure who I'm angriest with: parliament, the pubs that squealed about 'level playing fields' or smug non-smokers who continue to ignorantly and snootily point out the 'dangers' of ETS when it's long been known that the 'dangers' were trumped-up hokum.<br /><br />Jay<br /><br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-51946040473376443452016-02-03T13:27:58.784+00:002016-02-03T13:27:58.784+00:00anti-smokers were too stupid to find or not willin...<i>anti-smokers were too stupid to find or not willing to go to the sort of pub they claim they like - non-smoking ones. </i><br /><br />There is some truth in that but the real traitors are those smokers who still go to Pubs. If every single pub going smoker had said , back in 2007, 'i won't go where i am not wanted' . I did and so have others. Those Quislings who stand outside the pub smoking are only bolstering the Verbot. <br /><br />Personally my cold grey stoney heart beats a little faster with celebratory joy every time I see a new Tesco Express. Pub closure by pub closure, boarded up cafe by boarded up cafe. Personally i try and buy a few packs of smokes here in the yUK as I can, as few "UK DUTY PAID" as possible. I'd rather risk smoking 'low quality, terrorist funding' (to quote HMRC) tobacco than pay for my own persecution.<br /><br />The Blocked Dwarfnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-6160351122407074892016-02-03T09:32:28.340+00:002016-02-03T09:32:28.340+00:00RedNev,
Smoking would only affect you if you happe...RedNev,<br />Smoking would only affect you if you happen to walk in to a pub that permitted smoking. You know the same way that drinking only affects you in a place that drinkers go to - like a pub for example. It really is much better for everyone if anti-smokers would fuck off and go to their own pubs. Problem is, anti-smokers know their pubs were dull as ditch water due to the fact that hardly anyone went to them before the smoking ban - most people preferring the more inclusive type of pub. But instead we have lost 10,000+ pubs just because anti-smokers were too stupid to find or not willing to go to the sort of pub they claim they like - non-smoking ones. <br />Fredrik Eichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08442979299648454852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-11378416332480654592016-02-02T20:20:18.512+00:002016-02-02T20:20:18.512+00:00Since Fullers & Spoons banned vaping I have no...Since Fullers & Spoons banned vaping I have not set foot in either of them. My better half and my mates are happy to go along with that, there are plenty of other places to get beer and food. <br /><br />The biggest single transaction was a meal for twenty people (leaving do) in St Albans that ended up being moved away from the Fullers pub to the free house down the road. We had 5 people who are using ecigs to give up smoking in that party. That's a sum in he high 3 figures lost. <br /><br />There are north of 2 million people using ecigs in the UK, If Fullers, Wetherspoons and other chains don't want their money (or their freinds/relatives money) then there are plenty who do.<br /><br />LiamTheBrewerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17343568963519802907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-53169953840308117992016-02-02T18:37:15.756+00:002016-02-02T18:37:15.756+00:00They wanna ban alcohol until after 8pm. Before 8pm...They wanna ban alcohol until after 8pm. Before 8pm, kids might be exposed to seeing drinking as normal and acceptable.Cooking Lagerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02830924433230427226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-80808847731916213562016-02-02T18:07:29.569+00:002016-02-02T18:07:29.569+00:00That was an option that perhaps deserved more cons...That was an option that perhaps deserved more consideration at the time, but it's not the same as allowing pubs to choose whether to allow smoking or not, letting the market decide. It wasn't, and still isn't, an issue that the market can determine.Neville Grundyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10923209266005338452noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-59014761550799908522016-02-02T17:10:03.732+00:002016-02-02T17:10:03.732+00:00@Nev - but surely allowing smoking rooms separate ...@Nev - but surely allowing smoking rooms separate from the bar would have been a better solution than a blanket ban?Curmudgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02558747878308766840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-22226760138291744442016-02-02T16:00:16.296+00:002016-02-02T16:00:16.296+00:00As using e-cigarettes doesn't affect other peo...As using e-cigarettes doesn't affect other people, I agree that pubs should be allowed to choose; my own local allows it, and I'm not aware of any public demand for such a ban. Cancer Research UK is opposed to such a ban on the grounds that it lessens the incentive for people to switch to e-cigarettes. The problem with the food proviso is whether snacks such as crisps, pickled eggs and rolls would require a pub to ban e-cigarettes.<br /><br />Where you and I differ is the suggestion that such an approach should have been applied to smoking, which does quite seriously affect other people.Neville Grundyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10923209266005338452noreply@blogger.com