tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post5239184534889402451..comments2024-03-28T17:11:52.333+00:00Comments on The Pub Curmudgeon: Welcome to the real worldCurmudgeonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02558747878308766840noreply@blogger.comBlogger48125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-79788787688816346872018-06-08T13:29:59.457+01:002018-06-08T13:29:59.457+01:00We put our Imperial Stout, Principia (8.3% ABV) in...We put our Imperial Stout, Principia (8.3% ABV) in 330 ml bottles. It just seems sensible. Anyways, a person can drink two or three if they want to. Dr Evilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00176521760477086914noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-41116820574713107792018-06-07T23:04:16.239+01:002018-06-07T23:04:16.239+01:00It's a bit depressing, to see a clamour for th...It's a bit depressing, to see a clamour for the Ducking Stool, every time that someone hesitates to kick a cat, Mudge.Hattersnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-37436642268460931832018-06-07T16:31:45.913+01:002018-06-07T16:31:45.913+01:00@Hatters - you've lost me now. Really not sure...@Hatters - you've lost me now. Really not sure what point you're trying to make.Curmudgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02558747878308766840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-56918907534877820342018-06-07T14:28:11.812+01:002018-06-07T14:28:11.812+01:00But 'Craft' beer is for nice middle class ...But 'Craft' beer is for nice middle class professionals who are happy to pay a fortune for murk so it's only right that the brewers who produce it should shriek in horror at any control that might stop them making a fortune by 'sticking it to the man'.electricpicshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09144970068645280352noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-18891025289793463042018-06-07T11:26:36.027+01:002018-06-07T11:26:36.027+01:00Yes, "most beer festival customers don't ...Yes, "most beer festival customers don't drink *anything* in pints anyway" which is why those of us who know beer can only be tasted properly in pints no longer go the beer festivals. The Stafford Mudgienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-18774657311946785222018-06-07T11:24:04.707+01:002018-06-07T11:24:04.707+01:00Hatters,
I don't need to get a gang to agree w...Hatters,<br />I don't need to get a gang to agree with me because I know I'm right !The Stafford Mudgienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-49516758131113955512018-06-07T10:12:18.888+01:002018-06-07T10:12:18.888+01:00accepting < 0.5% abv as alcohol free brings us ...accepting < 0.5% abv as alcohol free brings us in line with most of the world and allows flexibility for the trace alcohol in breads, fruit juices and anything where sugars or refined starches have been exposed to yeast or airborne bacteria.Cooking Lagerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02830924433230427226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-23083112141329201042018-06-07T09:50:45.040+01:002018-06-07T09:50:45.040+01:00Well, Mudge, as far as I can tell it's not muc...Well, Mudge, as far as I can tell it's not much like anything that anyone said, let alone precisely that. It might arguably be what some people could say he had implied, if they were feeling ungenerous.<br /><br />I have to say, that regrettably, a lot of what passes for debate nowadays operates on this basis. If you can get a gang to agree about the asserted implication, then they reassure one another that they must be correct.<br /><br />It won't do for me.<br /><br />(I hope that I've posted this on the correct comment now.)Hattersnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-32913007100999051792018-06-07T08:41:47.092+01:002018-06-07T08:41:47.092+01:00It certainly isn't official CAMRA policy, alth...It certainly isn't official CAMRA policy, although obviously local branches can apply it if they see fit. Most beer festival customers don't drink *anything* in pints anyway.Curmudgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02558747878308766840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-70377294465396853112018-06-07T08:39:47.615+01:002018-06-07T08:39:47.615+01:00I criticised the Tiny Rebel ruling at the time but...I criticised the Tiny Rebel ruling at the time but I don't see how it can be regarded as an example of the Portman Group treatng small producers differently from large ones.Curmudgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02558747878308766840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-73592746104966704852018-06-07T07:16:06.028+01:002018-06-07T07:16:06.028+01:00Hatters,
"I suppose you wish Germany had won ... Hatters,<br />"I suppose you wish Germany had won the war" reminds me that when I started using pubs in the early 1970s older drinkers would say that if Hitler had won the war "we would all be drinking lager now". If so I'm sure it would be better than the 'lager' most are drinking here in the 21st century. The Stafford Mudgienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-39003065032721630442018-06-06T22:55:03.576+01:002018-06-06T22:55:03.576+01:00you could argue pubs should be doing that anyway w...you could argue pubs should be doing that anyway with their duty of care licensing remit hat on, I mean I think its CAMRA policy at most beer festivals Ive been to or worked at, and Ive only occasionally encountered a situation in a pub where asking for a particular barley wine assuming Id automatically get a half, has ended up with a pint and alot less change than I had before. But again whats the difference if I buy a bottle of wine ask for 2 glasses, but only use the 1.Stonohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02656315721111561414noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-44151882019159358242018-06-06T22:47:02.850+01:002018-06-06T22:47:02.850+01:00well Tiny Rebel certainly felt theyd been hard don...well Tiny Rebel certainly felt theyd been hard done by the Portman Group ruling against them, even though the average consumer would be hard pushed to spot the change they were forced to make on their cans, and it was a single complaint. Yet the Portman Group have submitted to the government its perfectly ok to call stuff Alcohol free, even when its actually 0.5% abv, and remember the complaint against Tiny Rebel was based on believing something could be mistaken as non alcoholic because of the labelling, so it might be conspiracy theory but its not hard to feel the Portman Group only represents its majority contributor interests in its decisions, rather than its minority.Stonohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02656315721111561414noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-33954153665637075492018-06-06T22:21:51.682+01:002018-06-06T22:21:51.682+01:00Yes, which is why the prophecies of doom are so lu...Yes, which is why the prophecies of doom are so ludicrously OTT.Curmudgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02558747878308766840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-62135685805457639162018-06-06T21:54:25.095+01:002018-06-06T21:54:25.095+01:00In reality, don't you think that there are jus...In reality, don't you think that there are just a tiny percentage of very strong craft beers being sold in 500ml and more? electricpicshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09144970068645280352noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-27300324637306538792018-06-06T18:41:54.094+01:002018-06-06T18:41:54.094+01:00Oh yes, those wacky, anti-establishment craft brew...Oh yes, those wacky, anti-establishment craft brewers who do weak quaffing beers in tiny bottles and strong sipping beers in massive ones ;-)Curmudgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02558747878308766840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-80582105523619761362018-06-06T18:15:58.116+01:002018-06-06T18:15:58.116+01:00Hmm. Perhaps, Staffy, but that still rather falls ...Hmm. Perhaps, Staffy, but that still rather falls into the "I suppose you wish Germany had won the war" domain for me.Hattersnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-6543757151890295082018-06-06T16:07:41.967+01:002018-06-06T16:07:41.967+01:00A cynic might suggest that the point about weaker ...A cynic might suggest that the point about weaker craft beers being sold in 330ml containers is all about increasing margins - both for the brewer and retailer - as they always seem to be priced around the same as other non-craft 500ml bottles. electricpicshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09144970068645280352noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-24116849849941313732018-06-06T14:34:02.958+01:002018-06-06T14:34:02.958+01:00- and they wouldn't even sell me two halves of...- and they wouldn't even sell me two halves of it, well not without going back to the bar. The Stafford Mudgienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-87890198181966899672018-06-06T14:31:31.690+01:002018-06-06T14:31:31.690+01:00Yes, a couple of years ago I was refused a pint of...Yes, a couple of years ago I was refused a pint of Old Tom in the Baker's Vaults in Stockport - ruined my day it did !The Stafford Mudgienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-60618333168676429792018-06-06T14:29:28.622+01:002018-06-06T14:29:28.622+01:00Hatters,
Dave Bailey of the Hardknott Brewery has ...Hatters,<br />Dave Bailey of the Hardknott Brewery has recently commented “After all, if the small brewers can’t get into a wide enough range of pubs on THEIR terms .....” as if "the small brewers" have a right to “get into a wide enough range of pubs” AND “on THEIR terms” !The Stafford Mudgienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-4286252247939229542018-06-06T12:11:25.320+01:002018-06-06T12:11:25.320+01:00Isn't that precisely what Mr Bisset has said, ...Isn't that precisely what Mr Bisset has said, that he and his fellow crafties operate on a higher moral plane than the industrial brewers and therefore shouldn't be subject to the same rules?Curmudgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02558747878308766840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-7934304483286267062018-06-06T12:09:38.541+01:002018-06-06T12:09:38.541+01:00Yes, a couple of years ago Stafford Mudgie was ref...Yes, a couple of years ago Stafford Mudgie was refused a pint of Old Tom in the Baker's Vaults in Stockport, although other Robinson's pubs will serve you one.Curmudgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02558747878308766840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-72311264293833029352018-06-06T11:52:51.896+01:002018-06-06T11:52:51.896+01:00I've had a similar experience when buying cide...I've had a similar experience when buying cider in a Devon pub. Asked for 2 pints of the stuff and the landlord "no son you'll start with a half". It was probably a wise decision. I have no idea what strength it was but I know after about 5 halves I cold hardly walk. <br /><br />Many landlords will only serve strong stuff in halves, but there is no rule requiring them not to do so, it's just sensible pub management. Beermunsterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09564489130909572144noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-13017111249493976382018-06-06T10:01:41.988+01:002018-06-06T10:01:41.988+01:00I can recall not being allowed to buy strong cider...I can recall not being allowed to buy strong cider in pints in a west country pub. And I vaguely remember that Old Tom was only sold in halves. dcbwhaleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02585310584555592882noreply@blogger.com