tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post5654953382261661270..comments2024-03-25T18:49:00.608+00:00Comments on The Pub Curmudgeon: A solution looking for a problem?Curmudgeonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02558747878308766840noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-59737282272783059552018-12-01T12:43:09.750+00:002018-12-01T12:43:09.750+00:00My usual pragmatic comment: "I may not be a ...My usual pragmatic comment: "I may not be a CAMRA member or a beer expert, but I know what I like"dcbwhaleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02585310584555592882noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-24658856326713164012016-01-12T11:22:10.068+00:002016-01-12T11:22:10.068+00:00@various PolyPins are designed to hold racked beer...@various PolyPins are designed to hold racked beer. Any secondary fermentation in one is messy.<br /><br />As for differentiating between keg and cask, most pubs do this simply by serving cask through a handpull, and keg through a font. OK, so 'new wave' craft may be served from a keykeg through a pressurised line, but I'd bet the vast majority of punters still think it's keg.ElectricPicsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-88807704064916299432016-01-12T10:51:30.537+00:002016-01-12T10:51:30.537+00:00Yes - key-kegs have been around for 5 years or so ...Yes - key-kegs have been around for 5 years or so but as long ago as 2011 CAMRA's Technical Committee said their contents "could" qualify as "real ale". The beers BrewDog planned to bring to the GBBF were key-keg and I think they were a bit put out when they were given the OK to sell them.<br /><br />I think it's the "k word" that closed many peoples' minds to them - if they'd been called key-casks instead we'd be in a much better place now.John Clarkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00132845616834779091noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-53184802862736061252016-01-12T10:50:25.048+00:002016-01-12T10:50:25.048+00:00I don't know if he does now (haven't been ...I don't know if he does now (haven't been for years) but at the Bree Louise in London there was often ale in polypins served from the back barStonchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07001578598975666535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-23199731500771019442016-01-12T10:30:13.074+00:002016-01-12T10:30:13.074+00:00@John - but keykegs had been around for quite some...@John - but keykegs had been around for quite some time before people starting saying "hang on, doesn't this stuff actually qualify as real ale?"<br /><br />@Anon - in a polypin, there's no pressure applied to the bag holding the beer, so there's room for any CO2 produced by secondary fermentation to keep the bag inflated rather than dissolving in the beer. I'm also not aware of any pubs routinely serving beer from polypins.Curmudgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02558747878308766840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-57652401025308983672016-01-12T09:38:43.026+00:002016-01-12T09:38:43.026+00:00CAMRA has never had a problem with real ale in pol...CAMRA has never had a problem with real ale in polypins, as far as I know; and I can't see how keykegs are much different.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-80974444484758505412016-01-12T08:22:35.761+00:002016-01-12T08:22:35.761+00:00I may be wrong but as far as I am aware "most...I may be wrong but as far as I am aware "most" of the new-wave "craft keg" beers are indeed unfiltered, unpasteurised and served from key-kegs. They are surprisingly commonplace.John Clarkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00132845616834779091noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-89399333026757077232016-01-11T22:59:09.446+00:002016-01-11T22:59:09.446+00:00Well, that's the "East Sheen Tennis Club&...Well, that's the "East Sheen Tennis Club" argument. But I generally come across it in bars that have plenty of other conventional keg lines and handpumps. And how many customers in a sports club or restaurant will really be bothered whether a keg beer from a small local brewery qualifies as "real" or not? Curmudgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02558747878308766840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-67404279506256226272016-01-11T21:20:11.476+00:002016-01-11T21:20:11.476+00:00I dont believe its intended to be used in a tradit...I dont believe its intended to be used in a traditional pub setup (though of course they could), or indeed to replace cask. Its application is more towards those where there isnt necessarily the space to have a nice tap room or cask cellar setup, so anything from village halls to sports clubs/venues, restaurants,beer festivals (obviously), and of course either micro pubs or new pubs which increasingly can be setup in old empty shops or small venues where space is a premium, and where historically they might have resorted to either full on keg beer or bottled beer instead. <br /><br />So its a way of expanding the potential reach of "real ale" to new people and promoting it as a choice to venues that arent able to support cask, which I dont have a problem with and is infact one of CAMRAs key (pun intended) campaigns.Stonohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02656315721111561414noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-11723262073271187372016-01-11T20:15:45.754+00:002016-01-11T20:15:45.754+00:00Cookie is right.
I'm not sure I've ever s...Cookie is right.<br /><br />I'm not sure I've ever seen beers referred to as key keg in a pub, and it sounds like a very dull cask-breather type discussion. Most of the craft places (e.g. Tap, Craft, lots of Falmouth) distinguish cask and keg; cask tends to be subtly better, keg is often a lot stronger. I tend to buy on strength if I'm honest.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-88670359694815329272016-01-11T18:45:44.457+00:002016-01-11T18:45:44.457+00:00If it makes someone happy then it has a point and ...If it makes someone happy then it has a point and a purpose.Cooking Lagerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02830924433230427226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-30438625253129723772016-01-11T17:42:25.234+00:002016-01-11T17:42:25.234+00:00It is possible to vent a keykeg with a spare coupl...It is possible to vent a keykeg with a spare coupler and short section of pipe, and to condition it properly - I've seen this done by Brass Castle at York Beer Festival two years running. It only works if the pubs can be bothered, though...ChrisMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09088526990457894540noreply@blogger.com