tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post6268390695367850256..comments2024-03-25T18:49:00.608+00:00Comments on The Pub Curmudgeon: No pub left behindCurmudgeonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02558747878308766840noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-6985840644143768912016-11-22T17:54:46.380+00:002016-11-22T17:54:46.380+00:00These are the pubs i did in Collyhurst from 1992 t...These are the pubs i did in Collyhurst from 1992 through to 1995.<br /><br />The Milan Robinsons Real ale<br />The Swan Greenalls Real ale<br />Billy Greens Whitbread Chesters Real ale<br />Robert Tinker Banks's Real ale<br />The Wheatsheaf Bass Real ale<br />Junction Inn Free House Real ale<br />The Vine Boddingtons Real ale<br />The Parkland Free House Keg only<br />The Sparrow Tetley Real ale<br />Lorimers Arms Vaux Keg only<br />The Clarendon Marstons Real ale<br />Queens Hotel Whitbread Chesters Real ale<br />New Derby Arms Free House Real ale<br /><br />I have been in the pub pictured at the top but sure it was called something different and also think it was a Boddingtons house.<br /><br />That list of pubs i have been in just goes to show the decline of pubs in working class areas along with the few left open not doing real ale anymore.Alan Winfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13143831341388857795noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-70651725861041941932016-11-22T09:02:09.887+00:002016-11-22T09:02:09.887+00:00I think the conclusion of the article is basically...I think the conclusion of the article is basically that there isn't much you can do about it.<br /><br />However, it's important to remember that:<br /><br />(a) in the early days of CAMRA, real ale was often found in the downmarket, scuzzy pubs, while the smart ones were keg-only, and<br /><br />(b) it's still the case that, where cask and keg beers of similar style and strength sell alongside each other, the keg is more expensive. The Bobby Peel could no doubt have offered a cask beer in their "£2 all day, every day" offer, as Spoons do with Ruddles, but reckoned that John Smith's would attract more customers.Curmudgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02558747878308766840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-4366165169887676592016-11-21T22:23:13.594+00:002016-11-21T22:23:13.594+00:00Better than your last blog post, that one. Spot o...Better than your last blog post, that one. Spot on.retiredmartinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15429804437739227082noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-87435895753687821502016-11-21T20:10:11.893+00:002016-11-21T20:10:11.893+00:00Getting back to the main point of Mudge’s post, ar...Getting back to the main point of Mudge’s post, are these bastions of “smooth” and Fosters worth bothering about? If you’re an avid real ale drinker, the answer is an emphatic “no”; but if you’re someone who cares about pubs, then some of these examples may well be.<br /><br />If you are of the opinion that these pubs could, under the right circumstances, be persuaded to switch to the real thing, then take heed of Mudge’s closing line, “To be honest, real ale is only going to succeed in pubs of that kind if it becomes the default ale option, not an expensive speciality.” <br /><br />It’s already been pointed out that customers in these marginal pubs are very much price driven, so there is little point in trying to persuade them to switch to a higher quality, but more expensive product.<br /><br />Obviously there are people who care about such places; especially if they drink in them regularly. For the beer enthusiast, and I include most CAMRA members here, they have very little to offer. True pub enthusiasts may disagree, but at the end of the day it really is a matter of “horses for courses.”<br /><br />There are very few pubs like this in this part of the south-east; although I’m sure Martin Taylor could recommend a few in the Medway Towns. Back in my student days, back-street locals had considerable appeal, but times change, and so do people. Pubs too have changed, and not always for the better.<br />Paul Baileyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09678639237696546268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-69960745868489348962016-11-21T15:20:45.396+00:002016-11-21T15:20:45.396+00:00Nowhere in that post do I claim that I am working ...Nowhere in that post do I claim that I am working class, or speak on behalf of the working class. But any excuse to have a pop, eh, John?Curmudgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02558747878308766840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-50469286572452840062016-11-21T15:17:50.515+00:002016-11-21T15:17:50.515+00:00I'm sorry dear but's that's what the y...I'm sorry dear but's that's what the young folk call "bullshit" isn't it? You've no idea if you're the "most working class person ever to comment on this or any other blog". You're just a sad gob-shite (is that the word dear?) like the rest of us. Anyway, the lodger will be wanting his tea when he gets back from t'pit, and I've the water for his bath to heat, must dash.May KIng Example (Mrs)http://www.example.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-38174747015245522842016-11-21T14:49:31.861+00:002016-11-21T14:49:31.861+00:00I am prepared to accept I may not be the most work...I am prepared to accept I may not be the most working class person ever in the history of the world. Very possibly someone like Fred Dibnah was more working class than me but that is debatable as he was on the telly and they don't let working class people on the telly usually or at least they didn't before the BBC moved to Salford. I always thought he was an RSC trained actor with a double barrelled name acting the part.<br /><br />Not withstanding, I am working class. I am more working class than you. I am more working class than Mudge and I am the most working class person ever to comment on this or any other blog even if that is not what working class people usually do in the usual run of things.<br />Most working class person ever to comment here thennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-66635911422345523082016-11-21T14:43:09.619+00:002016-11-21T14:43:09.619+00:00"most working class person ever"? I don&..."most working class person ever"? I don't think so dear. You wouldn't be blathering in blog comments. You'd only be using the interweb for facebook and shopping.May KIng Example (Mrs)http://www.example.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-26178264194308497792016-11-21T14:10:12.123+00:002016-11-21T14:10:12.123+00:00For however many years you nice middle class peopl...For however many years you nice middle class people have been getting all nostalgic about pubs and doing CAMRA and pretending the middle class safe spaces you pretend are pubs are the "Best Pub in Britain" by giving them awards. No ones stopping you from continuing with this.<br /><br />Can we let you get on with that on the understanding you steer clear of our pubs please? The smooth bitter and fosters are a hint. Nothing for you here.Most working class person evernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-88873644844973713592016-11-21T13:24:39.434+00:002016-11-21T13:24:39.434+00:00You don't have to be working-class to observe ...You don't have to be working-class to observe the shift from cask to keg/nitrokeg "Smooth" beer in some pubs. The break-up of the Big Six's tied estates and their takeover by pubcos is, as he suggests, probably at least part of the reason for it.Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09310220100267028274noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-33807034647114772016-11-21T10:27:12.346+00:002016-11-21T10:27:12.346+00:00I'm amused by the way Mudgie talks on behalf o...I'm amused by the way Mudgie talks on behalf of the "working class" and presumes to know what they think when he isn't, never has been and never will be anything approaching working class (however you choose to define it).John Clarkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00132845616834779091noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-71543844968376580462016-11-21T07:53:47.859+00:002016-11-21T07:53:47.859+00:00Anyway Mudge. Didn't know you could get a £2 F...Anyway Mudge. Didn't know you could get a £2 Fosters near Edgeley Home Bargains. Nice one. That and the Greggs. Stockport is looking up. Worth getting off the train in Stocky for the holy trinity.Cooking Lagerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02830924433230427226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-75564468120153470812016-11-21T07:31:59.177+00:002016-11-21T07:31:59.177+00:00Whay does working class mean these days? Or, rath...Whay does working class mean these days? Or, rather, what doe 'mudge think it means?dcbwhaleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02585310584555592882noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-14365557867786343222016-11-21T07:23:15.948+00:002016-11-21T07:23:15.948+00:00There's load of working class people. You'...There's load of working class people. You've just stopped noticing us. We're the ones with the nicer cars & clobberCooking Lagerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02830924433230427226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-19389062514738280142016-11-21T07:21:04.798+00:002016-11-21T07:21:04.798+00:00Well here we go, if you insist, like ;)
If me and...Well here we go, if you insist, like ;)<br /><br />If me and thee decided to campaign for trad fish & chips we'd go out and enjoy them. Might even award the best ones and recruit fish & chip enthusiasts. We'd have debates on malt vinegar or none brewed condiment. We might even enjoy it.<br /><br />We wouldn't expect every restaurant and take away to serve them.<br /><br />Beer geeks have never had it so good. Every town has more free houses serving a wider variety of beer than ever before.<br /><br />But because they count as "pubs" all the gaffs they wouldn't touch with a barge pole, from flat roof pubs to casual dining restaurants, and that number is in decline, they think they have a problem. <br /><br />A campaign looking for a cause.<br /><br />There is enough of what you enjoy. Time to enjoy it. Let others enjoy what they enjoy.<br />Cooking Lagerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02830924433230427226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-67616389806972080262016-11-21T00:06:34.278+00:002016-11-21T00:06:34.278+00:001992 to be precise.1992 to be precise.Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07009879034507926661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-2852768200146535622016-11-20T21:01:26.716+00:002016-11-20T21:01:26.716+00:00I don’t get this class thing. There aren’t any wor...I don’t get this class thing. There aren’t any working class people in this neck of the woods! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJhIG8wc3Ok<br /><br />Being serious, for a moment, I would imagine that most of the people in the pubs you describe will be drinking lager, anyway.<br /><br />ps. Polytechnics morphed into universities years ago. Where have you been?<br />Paul Baileyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09678639237696546268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-82020005170632857572016-11-20T19:50:26.620+00:002016-11-20T19:50:26.620+00:00Beautiful piece of writing, whatever Cookie says i...Beautiful piece of writing, whatever Cookie says in a few minutes...<br /><br />Would add, there are good keg pubs and bad ones.retiredmartinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15429804437739227082noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-10796151676893860842016-11-20T18:16:09.623+00:002016-11-20T18:16:09.623+00:00I miss my XB, lovely drop on the right day.I miss my XB, lovely drop on the right day.James Highamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14525082702330365464noreply@blogger.com