tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post6964894683180963297..comments2024-03-25T18:49:00.608+00:00Comments on The Pub Curmudgeon: First, they came for the nightclubbersCurmudgeonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02558747878308766840noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-75946540522917903712021-10-15T08:55:52.801+01:002021-10-15T08:55:52.801+01:00We need HIV passports for pubs, so you don't h...We need HIV passports for pubs, so you don't have to sit next to filthy, disease-spreading perverts.Health fannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-37075491663485203372021-10-05T12:30:18.614+01:002021-10-05T12:30:18.614+01:00I would have thought there was much more of a corr...I would have thought there was much more of a correlation between keen cyclists and keen vaxxers. But this has got rather off topic now, so anything more along these lines will be rejected. Curmudgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02558747878308766840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-22417443539485077762021-10-05T12:17:11.308+01:002021-10-05T12:17:11.308+01:00Damn, that's another promising theory blown ou...Damn, that's another promising theory blown out of the water.<br />Anyway glad to hear you're still 100% sold on Brexit.I keep on being told that lots of Leavers have changed their minds but I've yet to meet anyway.<br />Even better it's still sending those ' leading ' Remainers totally deranged that our country hasn't collapsed and that thousands of migrants are still risking their lives to leave France for the sunlit uplands of the UK. Mind you who could blame them for wanting to leave France.<br />I have a new theory by the way.<br />Anti-vaxxers as a whole are mad keen cyclists.The type who wear Go-Pros so they can upload the slightest infringement on their personal space by motorists. The BBC is full of them.Thurston McCrewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-76427843697451095362021-10-05T08:26:22.025+01:002021-10-05T08:26:22.025+01:00As each person may react differently to any vaccin...As each person may react differently to any vaccination,all vaccinations are an experiment on the person vaccinated. It is necessary to balance the risk of being vaccinated as against the risk to yourself and others of not being vaccinated,the latter is far greater than the former and vaccination is a sensible course of action. I am against restricting people's freedoms,however,there is also a balance which needs to be struck between freedom and public health and in the same way that proof of vaccination against yellow fever is required in order to travel to some overseas countries and doctors and dentists are required to be vaccinated against hepatitis,proof of vaccination against COVID should be needed to work in the health and care sector. The balance between public health and freedom is tilted the other way when proof of vaccination is required to enter public venues as there appears to be little evidence that public protection as opposed to the unvaccinated individual's protection is increased. It is up to the individual to weigh up the consequences to him of being vaccinated or not in most areas of life. john a lambnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-64190337181175859752021-10-04T22:17:10.798+01:002021-10-04T22:17:10.798+01:00Thurston, I was and am very much in favour of Brex...Thurston, I was and am very much in favour of Brexit. https://www.blogger.com/profile/10603987317820861401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-53595798834680851722021-10-04T20:26:41.657+01:002021-10-04T20:26:41.657+01:00The problem is that the term "anti-vax" ...The problem is that the term "anti-vax" has come to be used to describe people who are opposed to any form of vaccine coercion, not just those who consider the vaccine as such to be dangerous.Curmudgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02558747878308766840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-25762469689962123872021-10-04T20:06:23.521+01:002021-10-04T20:06:23.521+01:00" 90% of the so-called antivax supporters -li..." 90% of the so-called antivax supporters -like me - are vaccinated -like me."<br />How can you be an anti-vaccination supporter if you have agreed to be innoculated? Either you think it's an experimental jab that's dangerous or you don't.<br />I'm going to stick my neck out here and say you voted against Brexit.<br />Am I right ?Thurston McCrewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-45575967425723201622021-10-03T17:13:58.015+01:002021-10-03T17:13:58.015+01:0090% of the so-called antivax supporters -like me -...90% of the so-called antivax supporters -like me - are vaccinated -like me. Most of the anger and violence is coming from the people like James Whale on Talkradio, twats painting a picture with a broad brush.https://www.blogger.com/profile/10603987317820861401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-85982713820140324362021-10-03T15:45:49.061+01:002021-10-03T15:45:49.061+01:00You are missing my point. There’s a big difference...You are missing my point. There’s a big difference between supporting restrictions on personal freedoms and Having Nazi tendencies. I replied to this idea which is what the string stated. And I hate to say it but most of the anger and violence I see is from the antimask and antivax supporters. At least that is how it seems in the US.Davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04039590363732278703noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-32879896289500456582021-10-03T15:09:27.045+01:002021-10-03T15:09:27.045+01:00I am not missing the point at all. I am not sugges...I am not missing the point at all. I am not suggesting for a minute that people have adopted actual Nazi or Communist ideology, but the response to Covid clearly shows that the ordinary man or woman in the street will:<br /><br />(a) willingly acquiesce in measures leading to the serious erosion of their liberties in the name of public safety, and<br /><br />(b) join in an enthusiastic programme of "othering", demonstrated by the visceral hatred directed first at the unmasked and then the unjabbed, often encouraged by people in position of authority who really should know better.<br /><br />Of course we are not currently living in an actual to0talitarian state, but we are noticeably nearer to it than we were eighteen months ago.Curmudgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02558747878308766840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-85621168164520278252021-10-03T13:45:59.911+01:002021-10-03T13:45:59.911+01:00Good for you, PubCurmudgeon. I agree entirely.Good for you, PubCurmudgeon. I agree entirely.Crapaudhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11805703485559518199noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-43601183123983856572021-10-03T07:55:38.945+01:002021-10-03T07:55:38.945+01:00I'll add gulag prison camp guards to my earlie...I'll add gulag prison camp guards to my earlier comment for equality so there is no need for anyone to be left out.https://www.blogger.com/profile/10603987317820861401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-47130216999928772162021-10-02T21:58:23.552+01:002021-10-02T21:58:23.552+01:00As is normal with groups that exist in their own e...As is normal with groups that exist in their own echo chamber, and this is getting way too common, you are missing the point of my post. (I'll leave the camp comment aside.) My point is that we don't really have a way of identifying exactly who leans to Nazism yet we throw the term around. Read the book "Ordinary Men" and tell me that it doesn't put doubt into your mind how you would behave under extreme circumstances. I know it put doubt in mine. And my point is using the term loosely in these types of conversations really dilutes what happened and can happen. Any of us can end up behaving horribly and to assume other's views on the vaccine predispose them to Nazism is really puerile. Davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04039590363732278703noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-35462335640328480082021-10-02T21:10:09.512+01:002021-10-02T21:10:09.512+01:00The past eighteen months have shown just how willi...The past eighteen months have shown just how willingly people are prepared to acquiesce in the destruction of their liberties, so I would say there is a parallel. They have also provided a textbook demonstration of the process of “othering”, in this case applied to the unvaccinated. I’m sure if a YouGov poll had asked whether the unvaccinated should be put into camps to protect the rest of society, at least a substantial minority would have agreed.Curmudgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02558747878308766840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-43245099550292624162021-10-02T18:29:56.819+01:002021-10-02T18:29:56.819+01:00Isn’t this type of statement getting really tired?...Isn’t this type of statement getting really tired? There are no grounds for this type of statement. Stop the Nazi comparisons.Davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04039590363732278703noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-39281441679249860602021-10-02T08:04:22.471+01:002021-10-02T08:04:22.471+01:00What I have noticed is that there is a strong corr...What I have noticed is that there is a strong correlation between people who don't see vacc passports as a problem, want lockdowns, want de facto compulsory jabs by blackmail or coercion, are afraid to start living normally without fear, etc etc, and people who at the minimum would not have minded to a work as concentration camp guards in the 1940's.https://www.blogger.com/profile/10603987317820861401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-52041818486044266972021-09-29T08:20:54.875+01:002021-09-29T08:20:54.875+01:00I'm not going to dignify that with a detailed ...I'm not going to dignify that with a detailed response, but you do realise that pubs don't check the age of every customer on the door? In fact, I'd bet many pubs can go days without feeling the need to ID anyone. So the comparison is absurd.Curmudgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02558747878308766840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-87795648198456626872021-09-29T08:18:28.291+01:002021-09-29T08:18:28.291+01:00Yes, as I said in the original post that I linked ...Yes, as I said in the original post that I linked to, the concern is that they would be used as a stepping-stone to a more general digital ID and social credit pass. Curmudgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02558747878308766840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-73471582688506123812021-09-29T01:53:48.571+01:002021-09-29T01:53:48.571+01:00Whilst being absolutely opposed to Covid Passports...Whilst being absolutely opposed to Covid Passports in themselves, I have no trust that this Government or its successor won't allow mission creep and include other criteria deemed 'in the public interest'.<br /><br />Once the architecture is built, and (as hoped by the Government) there is an acceptance by citizens of a requirement to prove your status before engaging with civic life, the basis of a social credit system begins. Anyone thinking this is far fetched would do well to recall what else seemed far fetched in February 2020.The Dangermannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-17912886048988249152021-09-29T00:16:47.946+01:002021-09-29T00:16:47.946+01:00A far less worthy cause? The defeat of Nazism? Are...A far less worthy cause? The defeat of Nazism? Are you actually serious?Billnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-65607839580073876612021-09-28T20:43:33.592+01:002021-09-28T20:43:33.592+01:00I remain un-convinced about so-called "vaccin...I remain un-convinced about so-called "vaccine passports." On our recent cruise, providing proof of double-vaccination, was a condition of my wife and I boarding the ship. <br /><br />We ensured we had both paper and digital copies of our vaccination certificates with us - as issued by the NHS. Having both tested negative, prior to boarding, we were asked to show these certificates, along with our passports. <br /><br />After standing in line, the official from the cruise line, gave our certificates a cursory glance, with no attempt to scan them - even though they have a QR code which would have told them all the information they might need.<br /><br />Verdict - a total waste of time and little more than a box-ticking exercise. Paul Baileyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09678639237696546268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-43397013701164331242021-09-28T20:28:40.542+01:002021-09-28T20:28:40.542+01:00Vaccine passports in Scotland delayed until Octobe...Vaccine passports in Scotland delayed until October 18th due to legal challenges :-)Curmudgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02558747878308766840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-70419706261927914972021-09-28T16:55:24.260+01:002021-09-28T16:55:24.260+01:00Hard to know where to start with such a misleading...Hard to know where to start with such a misleading post :-0<br />The vaccine isn't experimental: it is constructed using well established bio-chemistry. That is why the labs were able to produce it so quickly. <br />And no one is forced to have the vaccine so it doesn't break the Nuremberg code which is intended to stop the eugenic experiments of the Nazis not to restrict public health issues.<br />I also find it curious that both pubs and nightclubs are practically able to restrict entry on the basis of age - examining age verification cards - but find it impracticable to examine vaccine certificates.<br /><br />Having said that I agree that such a vaccine passport will do little to contain the spread of the virus. It would be much more effective - though even less easy to implement - to insist that people going into crowed venues demonstrate that they have tested clear CV19.<br /><br />And it is worth remembering that our parents put up with far worse restrictions on their "civil liberties" during WWII. And for a far less worthy cause.dcbwhaleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02585310584555592882noreply@blogger.com