tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post7525024823261266347..comments2024-03-29T08:01:51.705+00:00Comments on The Pub Curmudgeon: Safe space suppingCurmudgeonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02558747878308766840noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-76805800011534314642016-07-23T19:01:22.068+01:002016-07-23T19:01:22.068+01:00Yes you are right John,so sorry about that,
I do h...Yes you are right John,so sorry about that,<br />I do have the Nine Towns guide to all pubs in Thameside and a couple of the Viaducts and vaults guides which listed all pubs in the area.<br />The North Manchester pull out guides from Whats Doing also listed all pubs.<br />My mistake was with the Oldham and Rochdale pullout guides which only listed real ale pubs.<br />I do have to Bolton guide which also only lists real ale pubs.<br />I still have all of these guides and pull out ones to this day.Alan Winfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13143831341388857795noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-41206540504190201702016-07-22T07:16:47.795+01:002016-07-22T07:16:47.795+01:00Your memory is definitely playing tricks. I still ...Your memory is definitely playing tricks. I still have three of the What's Doing supplements that you mention (Real Ale In Bolton, Rochdale and Oldham respectively)and, as their name suggests, they do not list the keg pubs. These lists were produced for all areas in Greater Manchester (and certainly ones covering East and South Manchester were done). The first actual comprehensive Stockport Pub Guide (Viaducts & Vaults) came out in about 1990-91. There is a very old Tameside Guide called "Nine Towns Bitter" which, I think, did the same. All of the Greater Manchester CAMRA guides were selective - there were, as far as I know, no non-CAMRA guides or lists at all.John Clarkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00132845616834779091noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-10801762560760991212016-07-21T16:05:12.452+01:002016-07-21T16:05:12.452+01:00When i say a complete list or guide to pubs that m...When i say a complete list or guide to pubs that means every pub in that area including keg only pubs.<br />The Stokport guide listed all pubs in its area and the Thamside one did every pub including all keg pubs.<br />The North Manchester and large towns around it like Oldham,Rochdale and Salford listed all pubs a pull out guide from their magazine,these listed all pubs including keg pubs.<br /><br />I loved doing the Portway,Cornishman,Silver Birch and Anvil,they were all proper estate pubs,which i love doing.Alan Winfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13143831341388857795noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-34194588136262864172016-07-21T07:48:13.150+01:002016-07-21T07:48:13.150+01:00Yes, I don't think anything has ever been done...Yes, I don't think anything has ever been done for North Manchester in terms of guides or lists that wasn't done for South or East Manchester.<br /><br />Wythenshawe won't have featured heavily on these pub lists as, at least during the CAMRA era, many of its pubs have always been keg-only.<br /><br />I remember doing a minibus pub crawl of Wythenshawe in the 1990s which visited such gems as the Portway, the Cornishman, the Silver Birch and the Anvil. An interesting night, but I wouldn't say any of the pubs were places I'd actually *choose* to drink in.Curmudgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02558747878308766840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-78871178310464433352016-07-21T07:44:47.817+01:002016-07-21T07:44:47.817+01:00It keeps track of developments in the pub such as ...It keeps track of developments in the pub such as if it opens or closes, whether it serves real ale, which beers are served, changes of licensee etc.<br />It supplies news about the pub for inclusion in local magazines such as "Opening Times".<br />It maintains the pub's entry on WhatPub?<br />It may consider the pub for Pub of the Month or Pub of the Year Awards.<br />It maintains a record of NBSS scores for the pub and, if they're good enough, may include it in the "Good Beer Guide".<br />Quite a lot, really.Curmudgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02558747878308766840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-67247283618088420022016-07-21T06:55:31.415+01:002016-07-21T06:55:31.415+01:00As far as I recall the only pub lists at that time...As far as I recall the only pub lists at that time *were* produced by CAMRA - I certainly didn't see any others. The lists were not comprehensive either. I'm guessing you mean the "Real Ale in...." series that appeared as a supplement to What's Doing from time to time an they, by their very nature, included only real ale pubs. There certainly was one for South and East Manchester because I remember helping to compile it. I think your recollection of what these lists were and who produced them is incomplete.John Clarkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00132845616834779091noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-28218643948557394052016-07-21T00:26:17.947+01:002016-07-21T00:26:17.947+01:00Forgive my Yankee ignorance, but what exactly does...Forgive my Yankee ignorance, but what exactly does CAMRA *do* on behalf of these pubs? When you say that a chapter "covers" a certain pub, what does that mean, exactly? Thanks.Benhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02488543861659738217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-87090823168418684932016-07-20T18:56:01.855+01:002016-07-20T18:56:01.855+01:00Nothing to do with Camra but guides of lists of pu...Nothing to do with Camra but guides of lists of pubs that were published in the late 80s to mid nineties.<br />I had complete lists for all North Manchester and the towns around it and also all of Salford and its outer areas like Irlam,i also had complete guides to all pubs in Thamside and Stockport areas.<br />But i never found out any lists or guides to any pubs in South Manchester or east Manchester which covered areas like Openshawe in the East and Burnage,longsight and other areas of the City of Manchester in the south.<br />I would love to find out where you found those lists as they would have been very helpfull to me at the time.<br />I packed up doing pubs in Greater Manchester having a crawl round Leigh and only doing five real ale pubs on a 20 plus pub crawl.Alan Winfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13143831341388857795noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-29478647557238210942016-07-20T14:24:22.621+01:002016-07-20T14:24:22.621+01:00Not aware there's been much argument at all, a...Not aware there's been much argument at all, as it's a matter of recorded fact how many pubs have been included for the various areas over each year. Stockport & South Manchester will lose either one or two, which isn't worth anyone getting worked up about.Curmudgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02558747878308766840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-55645265317074244272016-07-20T13:51:47.396+01:002016-07-20T13:51:47.396+01:00I'll bet there were / will be some fun "d...I'll bet there were / will be some fun "discussions" regarding GBG allocations when branch areas change like this.Sic1314https://www.blogger.com/profile/13483987336328474503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-2285267743855903372016-07-18T23:41:32.081+01:002016-07-18T23:41:32.081+01:00I know that we had two branch members resident wit...I know that we had two branch members resident within the IRR (neither of them were known to us). I think it is only since Central Manchester Branch took on the northern suburbs that some of its active members actually live within the branch boundaries.John Clarkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00132845616834779091noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-41343876399796947852016-07-18T23:38:44.393+01:002016-07-18T23:38:44.393+01:00I think Wythenshawe featured on one of the compreh...I think Wythenshawe featured on one of the comprehensive pub lists that appears in What's Doing from time to time (I assume this is what Alan is alluding to). But in recent years there's not really been a great deal to cover - and what there has been is documented on WhatPub I think. The rest of South Manchester was pretty well covered I think.John Clarkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00132845616834779091noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-74197147465793429072016-07-18T22:47:25.738+01:002016-07-18T22:47:25.738+01:00While I'd be the first to admit that Wythensha...While I'd be the first to admit that Wythenshawe has not historically been covered well by Stockport & South Manchester Branch, nothing has been done in terms of guides by North Manchester than hasn't been done for the south side. "Ale of Two Citie", which I think ran to two editions, covered the whole of Manchester and Salford. <br /><br />Also bear in mind that the third of Wythenshawe west of the M56 falls under Trafford & Hulme Branch.Curmudgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02558747878308766840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-57857032204916919752016-07-18T21:57:57.211+01:002016-07-18T21:57:57.211+01:00While there undoubtedly has been a surge in reside...While there undoubtedly has been a surge in residential development in the City Centre, the population within the IRR is probably still no more than that of a medium-sized market town. That isn't the key factor driving the rise in the number of bars. I also recall hearing that the number of CAMRA members affiliated to the Central Manchester branch who lived within the IRR was in single figures.<br /><br />Curmudgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02558747878308766840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-86568597646003362422016-07-18T18:12:40.115+01:002016-07-18T18:12:40.115+01:00A friend was bemoaning how hard it is to get peopl...A friend was bemoaning how hard it is to get people who live in the city centre out on a Sunday night. Having lived here for a while, my immediate reaction was to gawp at him and say something along the lines of "of course you can't get 'em out - nobody lives in the city centre, you daft wazzock!" But a moment's thought made me realise I was wrong - there are any number of places to live in the centre these days, just as long as you're childless and loaded. So maybe the City Centre Branch actually is a local branch for local people, not just after-work pub-crawlers. Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07009879034507926661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-8464699955693399962016-07-18T17:59:46.338+01:002016-07-18T17:59:46.338+01:00I have checked out every rough pub in North Manche...I have checked out every rough pub in North Manchester and quite enjoyed doing it along with all the rough pubs in Salford, Thameside and East Manchester,i could go on and on about the areas of GM i have pretty much completed.<br />It is a shame that the North Manchester branch as lost the city centre,i subscribed to their drinker for well over five years,it gave me loads of help while trying to do every pub in Manchester,their guides to all areas of North Manchester,Salford,Oldham,Rochdale and Bury were a great help while doing my regular pub crawls up there.<br />The South Manchester area was not covered well at all in the 90s,when doing Wythenshawe i was having to ask at every pub i found where the next nearest pub was.Alan Winfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13143831341388857795noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-24746795921298806242016-07-18T15:25:36.482+01:002016-07-18T15:25:36.482+01:00I'm just pleased the endless, and indeed narco...I'm just pleased the endless, and indeed narcoleptic, discussion is over. I'd just about lost the will to live. John Clarkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00132845616834779091noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-40108740226629790522016-07-18T14:16:47.393+01:002016-07-18T14:16:47.393+01:00Oh, I don't think that was a conscious intenti...Oh, I don't think that was a conscious intention, but it is an outcome. I can't see the new branch doing SSM-style Staggers of Moston and Harpurhey.<br /><br />From a CAMRA politics point of view, the outcome was a reasonable compromise, although my preferred solution would have been for North Manchester to take over the entire City Centre within the IRR.Curmudgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02558747878308766840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-70374395890202177852016-07-18T14:04:54.900+01:002016-07-18T14:04:54.900+01:00In all the discussions I ever heard about setting ...In all the discussions I ever heard about setting up Central Manchester Branch, fobbing off shit pubs wasn't mentioned. Of course that might have been the idea, unspoken, behind it, but I somehow doubt it. You may be mixing up outcomes with intentions.Tandlemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06804499573827044693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-88580455387581907042016-07-18T13:37:00.498+01:002016-07-18T13:37:00.498+01:00I'm off to create my own branch with 1 pub in ...I'm off to create my own branch with 1 pub in it. It'll be dead good.Cooking Lagerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02830924433230427226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-49571402078433856032016-07-18T13:29:10.620+01:002016-07-18T13:29:10.620+01:00So you'll be supporting the creation of the Ce...So you'll be supporting the creation of the Central Stockport, Heatons and Didsbury Branch, then?Curmudgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02558747878308766840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-22952212987903736772016-07-18T13:27:35.029+01:002016-07-18T13:27:35.029+01:00Can we leave it to you to check out the rough arse...Can we leave it to you to check out the rough arsed pubs? Not sure I can be arsed with that, myself.Cooking Lagerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02830924433230427226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-19168428760980319702016-07-18T13:19:38.885+01:002016-07-18T13:19:38.885+01:00Be careful what you wish for, Stockport's appe...Be careful what you wish for, Stockport's appeal (as long as the Heatons don't establish a sub-branch) is not just the contrasts, but the fact you actually visit the estate locals. I don't see much of that in other branches, at least on an organised basis. retiredmartinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15429804437739227082noreply@blogger.com