tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post788054111527679106..comments2024-03-25T18:49:00.608+00:00Comments on The Pub Curmudgeon: Knocking out the tradeCurmudgeonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02558747878308766840noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-23465780108810179292011-05-26T08:17:04.441+01:002011-05-26T08:17:04.441+01:00Any thoughts of doing the worst pub awards? I went...Any thoughts of doing the worst pub awards? I went in one a few months ago which I still can't get out of my mind.<br />Unfortunately I don't know what it used to be like as I'm new in the area but now it is the coldest most plastic café style open plan nightmare I've ever entered in 50 years of pubbing. A lovely old building wrecked.<br />I've since walked past it many times and without exemption its almost always empty. The occasional mum with kid and that's it. <br />About 50 yards from it is a thriving old pub full with punters. Don't the owners/landlords ever do any kind of research?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-28242454444017877442011-05-25T20:15:47.731+01:002011-05-25T20:15:47.731+01:00Yes, I've seen those diagrams of the "all...Yes, I've seen those diagrams of the "all seeing eye", but the authorities don't generally require existing pubs to be knocked through to provide 100% visiibility, and there are still plenty around that don't.<br /><br />Interestingly, the Nursery in Heaton Norris, built in 1939, although well compartmentalised, allows all the public areas on the ground floor to be supervised from the central servery.<br /><br />And, of course, legislation has now forced a considerable amount of pub activity to move outside into a location where it can't be directly overseen from the bar, hence numerous reports of cans being drunk in pub gardens and substances other than tobacco being smoked.Curmudgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02558747878308766840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-22670179696269648862011-05-25T20:04:29.089+01:002011-05-25T20:04:29.089+01:00Something I read about planning in Manchester year...Something I read about planning in Manchester years ago - and I suspect it's still true, and not just in Manchester - is that the police take an active interest in new pub licenses at quite a detailed level, and one of the details they're particularly interested in is clear sightlines. This is why you'll never see a new pub with a snug - not because the punters or even the publicans don't want it, but because it creates a space where people could potentially get up to various illegal activities without anyone at the bar seeing what they were doing. Of course, most actually-existing snugs aren't dens of drug-dealing, black-marketeering, tobacco-smoking etc, but you can't be too careful. It's what they call situational crime prevention - take away all the places where crime <b>could</b> happen, and hey presto, no crime.Philhttp://ohgoodale.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-25321082212263230112011-05-25T18:49:57.793+01:002011-05-25T18:49:57.793+01:00A Higsons pub called the Alexandria in Waterloo ha...A Higsons pub called the Alexandria in Waterloo had nooks and separate rooms and some wonderful original wood panelling. They ripped out all the panelling, made it more open plan and then installed modern cheapo wood chip panelling, which looked rubbish in a few months. The character of what had been a very nice pub was utterly destroyed. It never recovered and is a rubbish pub to this day. Last time I passed it, it wasn't open.RedNevhttp://rednev-rearm.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-35144388661422317242011-05-25T17:47:25.433+01:002011-05-25T17:47:25.433+01:00What an unbelievably dated outlook. Has he even be...What an unbelievably dated outlook. Has he even been paying attention to what's been happening in the pub trade? However, I've seen it in action locally where operators continue to use discredited, and ultimately failing, business strategies. <br /><br />I think Tandleman has it about right.Sat In A Pubhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08123038980796000837noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-47272286761642106832011-05-25T16:39:13.051+01:002011-05-25T16:39:13.051+01:00They'll still be low end pubs, just more open ...They'll still be low end pubs, just more open plan ones!Tandlemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06804499573827044693noreply@blogger.com