tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post8873017923581989551..comments2024-03-28T17:11:52.333+00:00Comments on The Pub Curmudgeon: False memory syndromeCurmudgeonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02558747878308766840noreply@blogger.comBlogger41125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-83793092883073730142017-07-02T17:53:17.815+01:002017-07-02T17:53:17.815+01:00Ffk Oucf.
It is not nice to make nasty comments ab...Ffk Oucf.<br />It is not nice to make nasty comments about people who make comments on this blog ViekinAlan Winfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13143831341388857795noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-11384102775303719112017-06-06T12:16:49.766+01:002017-06-06T12:16:49.766+01:00Alan - It's an anagram of anal.Alan - It's an anagram of anal.kevin websternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-76765146826891694532017-06-04T07:40:45.172+01:002017-06-04T07:40:45.172+01:00You can see the opposite of this now in countries ...<i>You can see the opposite of this now in countries where smoking rooms are allowed: even when they're big and comfortable (though quite often they're not), many smokers just go in for a quick smoke and then go back to 'where the action is'. </i><br /><br />That's odd, because the last time I went to a pub in the UK where there was a comfortable 'smoking terrace', everyone was out on the 'smoking terrace' and the interior of the pub was virtually empty. And it wasn't mid-summer, either - it was quite chilly, albeit with patio heaters deployed in the smoking area.nisakimanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04563041282703559939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-19763075141280371022017-06-03T20:25:08.963+01:002017-06-03T20:25:08.963+01:00It also occurs to me that if you were in an unfami...It also occurs to me that if you were in an unfamiliar pub and needed a leak, would you look for the bog or just sit there and wet yourself?Billnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-58448591020731180812017-06-03T20:20:09.411+01:002017-06-03T20:20:09.411+01:00The no smoking areas in Spoons were the bits with ...The no smoking areas in Spoons were the bits with bloody great signs saying "No Smoking".Billnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-84154147707298040172017-06-03T17:37:55.196+01:002017-06-03T17:37:55.196+01:00I did not look for no smoking area in Wetherspoons...I did not look for no smoking area in Wetherspoons as i did not know where they were.<br />You did not answer about the keens Head a very small single roomed pub with a no smoking area.<br />I have never been an anti smoker but some of the comments on this blog may help towards me leaning that way.Alan Winfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13143831341388857795noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-13434184956612431522017-06-03T09:20:36.941+01:002017-06-03T09:20:36.941+01:00They have these fully enclosed, glass rooms at bot...They have these fully enclosed, glass rooms at both Munich and Nuremberg airports. My wife was also very happy to see and use them, as even though they are the ultimate in segregation, they keep smokers happy without troubling any one else.Paul Baileyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09678639237696546268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-68446979234274057342017-06-02T21:23:49.467+01:002017-06-02T21:23:49.467+01:00The Three Fishes in Shrewsbury was totally non-smo...The Three Fishes in Shrewsbury was totally non-smoking years before the ban. It was pretty busy. If you wanted to smoke you went to The Loggerheads around the corner. Everybody was happy, which of course is offensive to the New Puritans who want to spread their own special form of misery to the entire populace.Billnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-25905544983028500842017-06-02T21:10:57.288+01:002017-06-02T21:10:57.288+01:00Back in the day before smoking apartheid, I used t...Back in the day before smoking apartheid, I used to drink in a small pub in central Bristol. Some days it was smoky. People, smokers and non-smokers, would remark "Blimey, it's a bit smoky in here today". My point is that this was a rare occasion worthy of comment.Billnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-62280925864594441152017-06-02T21:03:12.964+01:002017-06-02T21:03:12.964+01:00Yup, they had those at Copenhagen Airport too and ...Yup, they had those at Copenhagen Airport too and they worked fine.Billnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-59151236137152909992017-06-02T18:50:27.526+01:002017-06-02T18:50:27.526+01:00I am one of those "the smokers" and I ha...I am one of those "the smokers" and I have no problem with publicans banning smoking anywhere on their own premises. What gives me palpitations is the government banning smoking anywhere , against the wishes publicans and their customers. What you have to remember is that the anti-smoking lobby wants to ban smoking everywhere south of the north pole and they don't give two hoots about how many pubs shut so long as their psychopathic agenda is completed.Fredrik Eichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08442979299648454852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-50325648401282330292017-06-02T16:34:04.062+01:002017-06-02T16:34:04.062+01:00This should give the smokers palpitations... http:...This should give the smokers palpitations... http://mobile.morningadvertiser.co.uk/Running-your-pub/Marketing/Leeds-publican-bans-smoking-in-beer-garden-to-get-aheadelectricpicshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09144970068645280352noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-14180655229678104722017-06-02T09:30:25.490+01:002017-06-02T09:30:25.490+01:00I do believe that, prior to the 2007 smoking Apart...I do believe that, prior to the 2007 smoking Apartheid, nearly all pubs did have what one might describe as 'seasonal' non-smoking areas. Available for the majority of the year they were to be found where your typical pub's smoking area is located nowadays. smofunkinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18135266853238995285noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-28812606414279317532017-06-02T08:49:26.221+01:002017-06-02T08:49:26.221+01:00"would you like me to *iss on you every now a..."would you like me to *iss on you every now and again after having a few drinks of beer,i think not"<br /><br />You're correct, which is why I tend to give pub toilets a wide berth and if my bladder does fail me I opt for the use of a cubicle (also more discreet for the consumption of any illicit substances).<br /><br />More rewarding to find one's own solutions for inconveniences than relying on heavy handed governmental interference.<br />smofunkinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18135266853238995285noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-82903033953997063562017-06-02T08:37:09.746+01:002017-06-02T08:37:09.746+01:00Let's just leave it at "I respectfully di...Let's just leave it at "I respectfully disagree with your position, as well as your entertaining rephrasing of my point".Pete Favellehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06118087223604691014noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-32476410253536017992017-06-02T08:35:14.050+01:002017-06-02T08:35:14.050+01:00"Regarding Wetherspoons why would i look for ...<i>"Regarding Wetherspoons why would i look for a no smoking area when i have never smoked"</i><br /><br />Er, surely the people who would be looking for non-smoking areas are non-smokers?<br /><br />And that comment shows that, before the ban, you weren't remotely bothered about avoiding smoke in pubs.Curmudgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02558747878308766840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-80542852906354494502017-06-02T08:19:42.657+01:002017-06-02T08:19:42.657+01:00"None of the six pubs I regularly went it had..."None of the six pubs I regularly went it had non-smoking areas so therefore you're wrong" is not exactly a very convincing argument. Curmudgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02558747878308766840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-77128394121522595742017-06-02T08:17:31.048+01:002017-06-02T08:17:31.048+01:00Ah, all your clothes reeked of smoke because there...Ah, all your clothes reeked of smoke because there was someone smoking fifty feet away. Good to see the old antismoker trope of "after a visit to the pub, you had to incinerate all your clothes and flay off your own skin" making a return.Curmudgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02558747878308766840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-20958489701303818052017-06-01T23:40:12.077+01:002017-06-01T23:40:12.077+01:00Regardless of how many nonsmoking rooms there were...Regardless of how many nonsmoking rooms there were pre-ban, Curmudgeon's point holds up. Smoking in pubs has been 're-branded' as a 'problem' since 2007, by order of the antismoking lobby - there was no great demand for the ban, thus no great demand for nonsmoking rooms either. I remember a few, but they were often empty because most people wanted to be in the main room of the pub, where all the other people were - smoking or not. You can see the opposite of this now in countries where smoking rooms are allowed: even when they're big and comfortable (though quite often they're not), many smokers just go in for a quick smoke and then go back to 'where the action is'. <br /><br />The publican should decide the policy, but IMO ultimately the only answer is to let everyone mix freely in whatever places suit them, let them do whatever they want, and have really good ventilation, which these days is not hard to do. (Speaking of selective amnesia, no one ever mentions the 'smoking islands' that were in several UK airports before 2007; they were not even completely enclosed, just a wall up to about table height which contained technology which simply sucked away all the smoke- tests were done, and there was NO smoke drift).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-88953462224605653152017-06-01T17:03:11.608+01:002017-06-01T17:03:11.608+01:00And a quick perusal of the 2007 GBG for central No...And a quick perusal of the 2007 GBG for central Nottingham reveals the Cock & Hoop, Kean's Head, Lincolnshire Poacher and Trip to Jerusalem as having non-smoking areas.<br /><br />You may not trust me on Cheshire pubs and you may be right,i have done well over 300 in the county,but i do know about the Nottingham pubs listed,i would like to bet that the no smoking room in the Trip to Jeruselem was the upstairs room for kids,regarding the Keens Head which is a small single roomed pub,the no smoking area must have been in the kitchen to the rear,not sure that smokers would really want to go in there.<br />If some people on here had read my first comments properly they said "i am not an anti smoker and it should not have been banned from outdoor train stations and the like,but i did not like smoke being blown over me when having a meal in the White Lion at Bramcote which is a small pub"<br />Regarding Wetherspoons why would i look for a no smoking area when i have never smoked.Alan Winfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13143831341388857795noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-23790018319612748542017-06-01T15:52:40.502+01:002017-06-01T15:52:40.502+01:00If my memory serves me correctly, some airports in...If my memory serves me correctly, some airports in Germany have those glass rooms near the gates. It seems to work well. That is for those of us who do not smoke. My wife was happy to see them.Richard (Dick) Southworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01930343783811814684noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-43154719447213760742017-06-01T14:48:52.603+01:002017-06-01T14:48:52.603+01:00It was banned because, had it become widespread, i...It was banned because, had it become widespread, it would have been acceptable to H&S and to all but the most rabid non/anti smokers. We would have reached a stable equilibrium which the the Anti Smoking Industry would have had enormous difficulty disturbing. Jonathan Bagleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17331501151709216753noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-46552372542046646172017-06-01T14:06:56.591+01:002017-06-01T14:06:56.591+01:00Not regularly, no. Their beer quality wasn't a...Not regularly, no. Their beer quality wasn't as good as it is now iirr.Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00387170913578542671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-28548160367467057052017-06-01T10:34:10.735+01:002017-06-01T10:34:10.735+01:00Many years ago I worked in Sainsburys. The staff c...Many years ago I worked in Sainsburys. The staff canteen had a smoking room, which was a big glass room with huge fans that sucked the air upwards. I never understood why that sort of arrangement was banned. There was zero risk to anyone who doesn't smoke because you simply didn't go in there.Beermunsterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09564489130909572144noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623537812609722663.post-40046389720593043612017-06-01T10:09:23.878+01:002017-06-01T10:09:23.878+01:00I think you're blurring "non-smoking area...I think you're blurring "non-smoking areas" and "not smoky". I would say that in the majority of cases, when there were smoking and non-smoking areas, the non-smoking ones were still pretty smoky (in that they - and all your clothes the next morning - still reeked of smoke).<br /><br />You're right, that with proper ventilation and air control you can have both - plenty of places in Japan, for example, have *excellent* smoking rooms that you can literally stand outside the door of and not be able to catch a whiff of smoke - but British pubs hardly have a track record for investing in stuff like that.Pete Favellehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06118087223604691014noreply@blogger.com