Monday 24 July 2023

I see no slops

I’ve recently had a couple of discussions, both online and face-to-face, with people who I would consider fairly knowledgeable and enthusiastic about beer and pubs. Both of them have said something to the effect of “I think you’re exaggerating the problem of cask quality, Mudgie. Pretty much everywhere I go it’s pretty decent.”

Now, from their own personal drinking habits that may well be entirely correct. But it’s a common logical fallacy known as “selection bias” to seek to extrapolate general principles from personal experience, as clearly there’s no guarantee it will be representative. If you’re a beer enthusiast, by definition you are in general going to choose to drink in pubs where you know the beer is well-kept, or which others have recommended to you. My local CAMRA branch, to its credit, does organise regular monthly “Staggers” that aim over time to visit most of the cask-serving pubs in the area, but even here Friday nights are when the beer is most likely to be turning over quickly and in decent nick.

The issue is even greater if you are a beer writer. Pretty much everywhere you visit will be somewhere that has been recommended to you because it’s interesting, or new, or different, or a place with an established reputation for quality, because you want to report on it. You’re not going to waste your time going in those gastropubs, sports boozers or town-centre bars that are half-hearted about cask. “I went in the Pickled Artichoke and had a rather dull and tired pint of Greene King IPA” is not going to sell many copies.

CAMRA’s WhatPub online guide claims to list 32,189 cask ale outlets. There are currently 4,500 pubs in the Good Beer Guide, and maybe the same number again that are credible contenders. That leaves a further 23,000 that in practice never get on the radar. Some of them, particularly family brewer tied pubs, may consistently serve decent beer, but on the other hand many of them realistically won’t. In this article, Matthew Curtis reports that cask sales have fallen to 8.6% of the on-trade beer market, which is less than a million barrels a year. That’s about 24 pints a day on average for each of those 32,189 outlets.

Maybe a fair number of those 23,000 outlets would be better off dropping it entirely, but cask is still perceived as something that looks good on the bar even if few people actually drink it, and culling outlets has the effect of reducing its profile overall. I saw the question raised on Twitter (or should we now be calling it “X”?) as to why someone should give up on a product purely because of one bad example. And, of course, they shouldn’t, but on the other hand if you regularly go in a pub and the cask is rarely much cop it’s understandable why people reject it.

I have to say in recent years I’ve become much less dogmatic about ordering cask whenever it is available. Contrary to popular belief, I don’t spend my entire life single-mindedly seeking out good beer and pubs, and sometimes I will find myself somewhere where the choice of beer doesn’t particularly inspire confidence. For example, I was recently in a pub where the choice was just the standard range of kegs plus a solitary Ruddles handpump. I passed on the Ruddles and had a Carling. It might have been good, but frankly it probably wasn’t. Although not always reliable, I’ve developed a kind of “spidey sense” about whether the beer will be decent or not.

The biggest enemy of cask quality is slow turnover and, while overall volumes have fallen, the number of lines hasn’t dropped to follow suit. There’s nothing like quick sales to paper over a lack of cellarmanship skills. But, while they may be fully aware of the problem, if the people who write about beer seldom experience poor quality themselves, it won’t seem particularly urgent to them. The battle for cask quality is being fought in the outlets that the beer writers and enthusiasts never visit.

No doubt this Autumn there will be the usual round of hand-wringing about cask beer quality and declining sales. But, as usual, the industry will sagely nod, dismiss it as someone else’s problem, and move on.

37 comments:

  1. Spot on Mudgie...lots of pubs just have one on these days or the 'alternative' of JS Smooth or Worthington Creamflow. One is better than none though and you've got to trust pubs to know their local market. Unless it is a city centre pub or a 'specialist' bar then I don't see many people drinking cask these days so one (GK IPA or Pedigree by me usually) is plenty

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  2. Exactly why I only go to a couple of places on each trip which are recommended and just chance my arm. Like you, if they have a single cask pump I won't drink from it, not into constantly asking for pints to be replaced, not everywhere is happy to change it

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    1. Only having one beer on doesn't necessarily mean it won't be much good. Some excellent pubs have sensibly reduced their range to match the demand. It also makes a difference what it is - a single Bass or Pedigree pump will probably be good, a single Ruddles or Doom Bar one probably not.

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  3. Some good points made and not something I’ve honestly thought about. I only really drink cask beer, except for one pub when I’m watching football who only sell Marstons keg, which isn’t that bad, if a little dull. I only visit a few pubs near to where I live, mainly because I know the beer will be good. When I’m away or in a different town, I seek out pubs that sell cask and purposely visit them and only very rarely have I been disappointed (probably because I generally visit micro pubs or those that have been recommended, rather than a typical big chain pub). On the rare occasion there is no choice, I’d probably plump for a keg IPA or a cider as I can’t abide the taste of the generic lagers such as Carling, Fosters etc.

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  4. My local Holdens pub always has at least two cask beers on. Both are always in excellent condition because people drink them.

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    1. Holdens and Bathams tied house are amongst those where you'd have the strongest expectation of getting a good pint.

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    2. Yes. I am never disappointed with either. Plenty of turnover and very reasonable prices.

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    3. What about Timothy Taylor Pubs?
      Oscar

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  5. Such sad numbers. A terminal decline. Hiw could CAMRA have failed to save cask beer so comprehensively?

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    1. Because they started to concern themselves with cider, "craft" and woke issues.

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    2. CAMRA succeeded in persuading the public that cask ale was better than keg ale, but they were outflanked by the rise of lager and the long-term decline of the pub trade.

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    3. Succeeded for about 6 months as smooth keg declined before craft keg rose.

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    4. Their denigration and refusal to help smokers, who were the mainstay of many wet led pubs, didn't help either. Bathams have always provided very good facilities for smokers, within the law.

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  6. I occasionally visit a pub near me which has two handpumps, Doombar and Wainwright iirc. I've been six times in the last 18 months, on five occasions the cask beers weren't on, on the sixth visit the beer was awful and I had a Moretti instead. It's a Beefeater attached to a Premier Inn and I don't expect there to be handpumps on the bar for much longer.

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    1. And why would you expect cask ale there? A Beefeater is closer to a McDonalds than a pub. The product will be cheap, the staff won’t be cellar-trained well. That’s exactly the kind of place that doesn’t need cask

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    2. There was a beefeater in the GBG once in Milton Keynes, whether that says more about the quality of beer in Milton Keynes at the time or not I couldn't really say, it was an acceptable pint fwiw

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  7. Why would anyone drink cask beer anywhere but tbe CAMRA pubs? Doesn't make sense.

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    1. I don’t think CAMRA recommendation is a reliable mark of quality. There are 7 GBG pubs in my town, and at least two of them have served me warm, vinegary, gravity-served pints in the last few months. On the other hand there are several brewery-owned pubs where I’ve had excellent pints of bad beers (GK/Fullers) that will struggle to get in the GBG due to the boring and limited choice. While I used to be dedicated to consulting the GBG before choosing somewhere to drink, I just don’t think it’s necessary anymore, it doesn’t guarantee a good experience with regards to beer quality and certainly not in terms of a pubs wider appeal.

      With pints down south costing £5-6, cask is becoming a lottery that is too expensive to play.

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    2. Are you suggesting CAMRA pick poor quality pubs that align with their multi beer independent values over single beer higher quality regional tenancies?

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    3. CAMRA is the sum of all its branches, I can't say how other branches pick their guide pubs, but I'm comfortable in my own branch area a pub serving a single cask ale well stands as good a chance as a multi cask venue.

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    4. A friend of mine in Suffolk paid £5.20 for a poor quality pint of Fullers London Pride recently. I pay £3.60 for an excellent pint of Holdens Bitter in my local.

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    5. Not necessarily, but I think a lot depends on the tastes of the local CAMRA branch, and publicans that affiliate themselves to CAMRA. Currently in my local area if I had to choose which pubs to kill off (because I can’t drink enough to keep them all alive), I’d have to sacrifice some of the GBG pubs in order to keep better establishments (with limited or boring ale choices) going.

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  8. Cask ale is an enthusiasts category, not a mainstream consumer product. Best enjoyed in a CAMRA award winning pub where you will find a nice example of a cottage industry product you have hitherto never heard of but is nevertheless similar to the last one you had.

    Meanwhile the market works on consumers placing trust in products by identifying and differentiating via brands. So even in the CAMRA pub the only brands are Bitburger & Neck Oil and consumers wanting what they liked before will plumb for that. The discerning will get a shed brewed IPA they have never drank before and never will again.

    Is it possible to develop strong cask ale brands? I'd say yes but they tend to age through lack of investment and appeal to older ale drinking men that have no interest in CAMRA. CAMRA is an association of enthusiasts that prefer small producers and are inclined to sneer at regional or national brands. It's a club with a philosophy and should not be confused with a campaign.

    All countries with a successful domestic beer culture rely on regional and national beer brands that are trusted by consumers, Britain is rare in importing the brands of other countries for mainstream consumption and creating a commodified cottage industry for enthusiasts.

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    1. Their are some brilliant beers in my local pub, and it has a loyal following, but it would probably struggle to attract new customers to real ale, as the customer base is 40+ age wise.

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    2. Funny that, because I can think of half a dozen pubs close to me that have a decent range of well-kept cask, and are anything but 'enthusiast' pubs, but cater for those mainstream consumers.

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  9. Thank goodness for Wetherspoon’s

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    1. Wetherspoon's cask quality can be very hit and miss - a lot depends on the individual branch. Not too long ago I had to return two guest ales in succession and ended up settling for a Ruddles.

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    2. Give me a random 'spoons over a random GBG pub in and around Twickenham Richmond and Feltham any rates.

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  10. I wanted to disagree with you, I do find a lot of good cask outside the GBG, but find myself agreeing with every point. I've been picking the keg beer instead of the lone microbrew in every new craft bar in the Guide.

    In fairness, the Good Beer Guide has quite a good number of plain pubs with beers we've heard of this year.

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  11. It's caused a right stink at the very top of CAMRA, this post, pointing out that all those years of campaigning and the real ale still dying.

    There's bollockings getting dished out and the word is all branch committees gonna get sacked and replaced with the order from high to get the kids on the real ale. No more fannying about, real ale needs saving big time.
    Our branch committee walking about with a face like a smacked arse. In tears one lad was after giving his life to the campaign only to be told he failed and needs to make way for someone that won't.

    It's brutal, I tell ya. Literal blood on the carpet.

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  12. As an ageing beer man, my visits to pubs have diminished in recent years, partly owing to cost, but also because the joys of enjoying several pints doesn't really fit mine or my wife's lifestyle any more!
    But... I do have one life-line in meeting two old chums from the fifties, and we have rather embedded our meetings at one particular pub, where the beer is superb!

    Living in an entrenched Harveys area means there'll always be one of their beers on offer, but I've discovered a real competitor which is regularly served at our meeting place near Hastings - 'The Long Man Brewery', near Seaford! Their cask ales which I've found very enjoyable, are 'Old Man' and 'Long Blonde' - something to get a bit misty-eyed about - and if I lived near that particular place, I'd probably be capable of reducing to halves instead of pints, which I was told, years ago,was a mantra to be follwed by real ale enthusiasts!

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    1. Harvey’s bitter and mild I would love to try.
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  13. The “elbow pads and opinions” part of CAMRA haven’t helped. My local branch is awful, no comms, no events etc. it also has an average age of about 65, so while I know there are younger members, they don’t participate because they are seen as not knowing. I do however see them in the same pubs I go in. In my area the cask range is quite good, town centre has 5-6 decent ale pubs, surprisingly, the one with the best range is in the middle of nowhere, yet it’s always good with 4-6 on. Midweek has 4 on. Weekends 6. Seems to work for them.

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  14. Professor Pie-Tin26 July 2023 at 12:48

    I really like my local pub but sometimes they test my patience.
    Last night they were still selling Old Peculier that's been on tap for a week now.
    Possibly being sexist here but the entire staff including the manager are women which I think adds the the atmosphere of the place but the price to pay is that none of them drink real ale and wouldn't recognise a bad pint if it bit them on the norks.

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  15. Steam trains are not how people travel anymore. But there are operational tourist attractions and museums.

    For cask ale you have micropubs and microbreweries. Enough for the enthusiasts.

    Nothing really dies if someone is interested enough in it.

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  16. I am amazed at what even pubs I go in produce. Cask Marque or GBG or whatever it's rarely served at or near its best - accept prime right is hard as it's a living product. I once did a random pub crawl in Fulham only pubs better than 4.0 on Google and it's bad out there. I do wonder if poorer examples only serving old brown liquids really is the best showcase too - Doom Bar Pride Young's Bombardier Taylor's types some of which turn sulfuric quickly - maybe big brewers could at least get hoppier golden beers out there if any of them could produce a decent one.

    Also as the weird fetish of Harveys shows many cask guys will drink anything cask so it's no wonder they see no bad beer. When you read a leading beer writer traveling hours to drink a pint of Bass you wonder if it's a nostalgia thing rather than a beer thing?

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