However, when the news was first announced that Marston’s had sold the pub off and it had closed, the general response was one of philosophical resignation. While it was a distinctive and quirky building, the actual pub operation wasn’t anything to write home about. I visited it once about ten years ago and, while it was one to tick off the list, it wasn’t a place I would go out of my way to use as a pub. Plenty of pubs close, and this was just another one to add to the total. If the new owners had simply left it to rot for a year, it would have faded from the public eye. But instead they have jumped the gun and left themselves open to prosecution.
As shown by the map extract above, the Crooked House is located at the end of a dead-end track in an unprepossessing area of disused mine workings, some of which have now been converted to a landfill site. Realistically, it’s somewhere that the vast majority of its customers will need to drive to. Over the years, pubgoers in general have become much less inclined to drive out to “character” pubs of this kind, and this will have made it less viable as a business. A similar process happened to the Royal Oak (th’Heights) in the hills above Oldham, which closed just before Covid and later received planning permission to be converted to a private house.
“After running the public house for almost three decades it has become increasingly difficult to continue running the business due to its remote location. Most customers travelled by car and as such their stay was only short due to drink driving laws. It attracted occasional walkers and people who live in and around Heights.”Realistically, these are not good times for pubs located at the end of rural dead-ends.
Marston’s have rightly attracted opprobrium for selling the pub to the company with which they were already in dispute over access rights to the neighbouring landfill site. They can have been under no illusions about its likely fate. Possibly some other more enterprising owner might have been able to make a success of it as a pub, but realistically if there hadn’t been a pub there already it wouldn’t have occurred to anyone to build one.
In the past, many family breweries may have kept on one or two pubs for sentimental reasons, being the first pub they ever bought or one that looked good on the company calendar. But nowadays a more hard-headed attitude tends to prevail, and every pub in a tied estate will be expected to earn its keep. In recent years, my local brewers Robinson’s have disposed of quite a few pubs that once might have been regarded as jewels in the company crown, such as the Cat & Fiddle in Cheshire and the Bull i’th’Thorn at Hurdlow in Derbyshire.
Pub closures are commonplace, and generally go through without anyone batting an eyelid apart from a few in the immediate vicinity. Only this week, the Manchester Evening News reports on 13 in the area that have closed permanently this year and 38 more that are long-term closed. Many once familiar landmarks such as the Saltersgate Inn on the North York Moors have gone. But people seem to have projected all their feelings about the closure of pubs on to this one particular case.
Over the past forty years, the pub trade as a whole has been in a long-term decline that has led to tens of thousands closing down. The reasons for this are down to a variety of changes in social trends and attitudes, although certain government actions such as the Beer Orders and the smoking ban have exacerbated matters. There is undoubtedly a profound sense of loss about this, even from people who never used pubs much, which is very perceptively explained in this article by Rowan Pelling from 2014.
At times this can turn into a kind of vaguely-directed anger, as we are seeing here, and people are keen to look for scapegoats such as pubcos, developers, supermarkets and government. But the reality is that pubs have mainly been undone by social change, not by some malign conspiracy, and there is no remotely credible alternative course of action that would have made it permanently 1978.
The suggestion has been made that the Crooked House should be rebuilt as an exact replica, as happened with the Carlton Tavern in London. However, the Carlton Tavern is in a well-populated urban area, whereas rebuilding the Crooked House would in effect be creating an expensive white elephant. If it was to be rebuilt at all it would be better located in the Black Country Living Museum at Dudley. And you have to wonder how many of the people bewailing its fate will make the effort to go out and visit a wet-led rural pub this weekend.
You make a fair and valid point about the viability of the pub itself, but it's taken up the role of the straw that broke the camel's back and the outrage comes from many years of pub companies and brewers flogging off pubs, many perfectly viable, to developers, the associated 'convenient' fires and swift demolitions, mostly given tacit approval by local authorities.
ReplyDeleteWe've had this discussion before, but who is to decide whether a pub is "perfectly viable"? You can't force companies to run pubs that they don't want to, and change of use or demolition already requires planning permission (which has been blatantly violated in this case).
DeleteIndeed one could argue that "mystery fires" are an inevitable consequence of the planning system making it difficult to repurpose unwanted pubs.
Anyone claiming a pub to he viable needs to put their money where there mouth is.
DeleteBuy it, run it, prove it's viable.
I agree with your idea of rebuilding a replica at the Black country museum, the lovely victorian Hazelbrook Farmhouse which was built in a south Dublin farm where the HB Ice cream brand was created was moved to a folk park in Ireland as from the mid 20th century onwards increasing suburbanisation bit into the rural Dublin green belt. (Dublin is a lot like Manchester pre 1974 with how things are set out) the result the end of farming in many places in Dublin and a concrete and tarmac maze though quite surreally you can find country houses,cottages and farmhouses (which can include cottages) in these areas, a thatched cottage exists in Loughlinstown near a dual carriage way.
DeleteIn Ireland we also have pub death mainly rural as rural people are wedded to their cars even if said contraptions were uncommon in all areas including rural areas until the 1960’s/1970’s and any attempt to reduce car dependency is shut down be it public transport or push bike and foot paths separated from the road. What also doesn’t help is the scourge of one off housing which if you aren’t a farmer you shouldn’t be allowed to build having said that farmhouses built from the early 18th century to the 1980’s tend to be beside the road or failing that near the road so setting up a series of local links and rights of way paths shouldn’t be too hard. Stricter drink driving laws help reduce the ability to reach a pub in a car dependant area.
In urban areas proper pubs with old interiors are disappearing.
Oscar
In the days before mass car ownership, rural pubs were sustainable on a much lower level of trade than is now the case. And in those days people were prepared to walk a lot further than they are now. Mist of the customers of the Crooked House would originally have been miners who either travelled by train or walked to work, possibly several miles. But people from local towns would have started driving out there as a curiosity in the inter-war period.
Delete@anonymous That would be fine if people were allowed to buy a pub in a sale that was on a level playing field, but most pubcos, Marstons included, have a track record of ignoring offers from potential buyers who want to continue operating the premises as a pub, preferring to sell to developers.
DeleteRobinsons seem to buck that trend. So many of their closed pubs are left as empty blots on the landscape. The Swan at New Mill, the Unity in Stockport, the Grove in Buxton are a few that spring to mind.
DeleteThere must be a commercial imperative for keeping them empty but I fail to see it
The Unity has been converted to flats, as I think has the nearby Manchester Arms/Cobdens. Can't comment on the other two, although Robinson's have sold off a few pubs to the Inglenook Pub Company.
DeleteThe government needs to nationalise pubs and run them for the benefit of real ale. Then none would close.
ReplyDeleteBut if they nationalised the pubs, surely it would make sense to eliminate all the small inefficient micropubs and concentrate drinking in large central venues converted from former cinemas, carpet warehouses etc.
Delete"Jeremy", you're Protz and I claim my £5.
DeleteIt's just a wonky old pub. I can't believe they want to rebuild a pub with a massive flaw in it. Surely that is daft and to make the fault a contrived part of the design is just silly. In York we have a pub called the Guy Fawkes Inn. Arsonists should be celebrated. In Lewes they have a bonfire celebration. Hurrah for 5 November.
DeletePubs are not assets of community value. If the community valued pubs the market mechanism of price discovery would reflect that value. Developers would want to knock down flats and build pubs. But they don't become pubs don't have value.
ReplyDeleteLand is asset they are not making anymore of. If you want to build something you either have to knock something down or destroy some greenery used by the badgers or summat,
The needs of today are not those of the 15th century. We should want to build new things of utility today and accept the loss of things we don't need or want anymore, Like subsiding old pubs no one wants a pint in. If you want a wonky pub, build one where people will go in to it.
"Nowadays a more hard-headed attitude tends to prevail, and every pub in a tied estate will be expected to earn its keep" as Marstons, like all such big companies, try not to disappoint their many shareholders with the next dividend payment.
ReplyDeleteIsn't that the primary objective of any commercial business? ;-)
DeleteI've not known a commercial business that doesn't intend making a profit but my point was about "such big companies" that are more ruthless than smaller ones, such as the nearby Bathams and Holdens, with shares mainly held by a family who properly respect their staff - hence a waiting list for tenancies -, their customers, their suppliers and their heritage.
DeleteMarstons is in a horrible financial state, though their strategy over the past decade or so has been quite bizarre. Whether they've been unlucky or just crap is debatable.When you read the cask report and see the decline of cask sales, but most regionals eg St Austell are actually expanding brewery capacity, I suspect that most of the decline has come from them.They bought up quite a few breweries without substantial tied estates, didn't close them but homogenised their products and branding to be insipid. Before corona they nixed Jennings snek lifter which was probably the best beer in their lineup. Quite a lot of their tied estate consists of quite manky pubs in not very rich suburban areas or areas where people are not apt to want to use pubs. Their main rival, GK doesn't seem to be anywhere near as bad. Case in point: in Loughborough, Leicestershire, over the past decade, 3/4 marstons pubs in the town have closed (Gate, Jack o lantern, Greyhound), along with one Everards, two pubco and one freehold freehouse. Whether they kept those places going longer than others might have due to sentimentality or what, I'm not sure, but the company's tied estate is dropping like flies.
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