Monday 25 September 2023

Not so grand

A couple of days ago saw a rather sad milestone when I posted the 1000th entry on my Closed Pubs blog. This was The Pagefield Hotel, a magnificent late Victorian or Edwardian edifice in a residential area just outside Wigan town centre. One or two of the pubs I have posted have subsequently reopened, but the vast majority haven’t, and it serves as a sad testimony to the decline of the pub trade.

I started this blog in August 2010, prompted by the creation of the Google StreetView app, which provided images of street scenes across the UK. Initially it was like shooting fish in a barrel, as I recorded all the closed pubs I was personally familiar with. In October 2010 I made 30 posts, virtually one a day. After a while, it slowed to a trickle, with only 4 posts in 2015, but after that I became more assiduous in seeking out new ones, and was helped by suggestions and photographs from various contributors.

Amongst these I will particularly thank the late Peter Allen, who was responsible for the Pubs Then And Now blog, Staffordshire resident Dan Bishop, and Yorkshire residents Luke H and Kyle Reed. In the past few years, Kyle has been a very prolific contributor, which helps explain the substantial number of entries in West Yorkshire. Yorkshire as a whole is about to overtake Staffordshire in terms of number of entries, and is not far behind Lancashire.

In general, I haven’t aimed to give any background, and just described what I see from the image, although in many cases I found about the pub from a news article which I have linked to, and which provides some more information. Many of these came from the Fullpint news aggregation Twitter account, which unfortunately stopped posting for some reason in May this year.

It was generally recognised thirty years ago that there were around 70,000 pubs in the UK, so 1,000 represents over 1% of the total, and that’s only a drop in the ocean. I have logged 117 pubs in (historical) Cheshire – assuming there were maybe 1,500 pubs in the county, that makes up 7.8%.

There can be no doubt that a slow-motion catastrophe has overtaken the British pub trade. There has been a profound change in the way people use pubs, which in most instances has meant that they no longer do any more. Most of this is down to changes in social attitudes, but of course the smoking ban was a wound deliberately inflicted by government. Some may respond that times have changed, and new pubs and bars have opened up, which is true enough. But they are on a much smaller scale than before, and overall there has undoubtedly been a huge contraction in the trade.

Ten years ago I wrote a post entitled Trying to make sense of it all which attempted to explain the tidal wave of closures. The conclusion was that pretty much all sectors of pubs were affected, with only a limited number of niche areas seemingly immune.

The most common category seems to be the post-war estate-style pubs, which for a variety of reasons never seem to have really worked, something I wrote about here. Possibly the whole concept was flawed from the start, and arose more from town planners’ tidy minds than actual drinkers’ needs. It would not surprise me if fully half the purpose-built, stand-alone pubs constructed after the war are no longer trading, in some cases lasting less than twenty years.

But the big inter-wars pubs, often built to much higher standards of design and construction, are in a sense the saddest. A prime example is The Beeches in Northfield, Birmingham, which resembles a magnificent Jacobean stately home. StreetView shows that it had been demolished by May 2011, and housing has now been built on the site.

Will there be another 1,000 pubs on the blog? Only time will tell, although there are certainly enough candidates out there waiting to be discovered. If you’re aware of any, please let me know, although I do need either a photograph or a StreetView link showing it in a boarded up or derelict state.

17 comments:

  1. The Springfield Hotel down the road from the Pagefield is even more impressive. For me those victorian urban boozers are the saddest loss… such elaborate, imaginative and ornate designs, often a huge contrast with the utilitarian buildings around them. Yet they crumble and no one really cares.

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    1. Not currently closed according to WhatPub, though, and not shown as boarded up on StreetView.

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    2. And far nicer than even the nicest sitting room. Lots of dark wood, brass and even tiles and stained glass.
      Osvar

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  2. You should do a blog on opened micropubs. The ones that win all the CAMRA gongs every month. That would be far more cheerful than dead pubs.
    Pubs are not the future, micropubs are.
    And when thems no longer the future, it'll be nanopubs.

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  3. I'm sure that estate pubs and their customers have been harder hit by the smoking ban, higher duties on drink and rising basic costs, unlike others in wealthier areas which have weathered them by becoming dining places, but I think what has really done for them is the long societal shift from collective leisure and community activities towards a more individualist outlook, which has also affected other voluntary organisations and institutions (churches, political parties, CAMRA). If I think about the once thriving, but now derelict, and soon to be demolished, one near me, in the past most people on that estate would have drunk there, and many of them would have belonged to its darts and football teams, gone on days out from it, joined its Christmas and other clubs (all the things that Orwell described as quintessentially English in The Lion and the Unicorn). I doubt that the people who live there now have the inclination to do that, even if they have the time and money which would allow them to.

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    1. Like the Jolly boys outing of the Nags head regulars in Only Fools and Horses. Quite a number of pubs in Ireland have Golf societies.
      Oscar

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  4. CAMRA has more members than ever. All out there drinking real ale and scoring it. More enthusiasts than ever all supporting micro beer. Pubs must be doing better than ever. It must be a lie they are going bust. Pubs are a gold mine.

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    1. The Stafford Mudgie29 September 2023 at 21:49

      No, not "more members than ever" but 40,000 fewer than four years ago. .

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    2. I think that comment was a spoof ;-)

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  5. The smoking ban didn't close a single pub. It helped pubs. A new none smoking customer flocked to pubs after they became nice no smoking places. I read the CAMRA report. You want to get your facts right.

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  6. As I write this now two of the three pubs on our high street are closed all day Monday as is the micropub a couple of streets away.The third has to stay open as it's also a hotel and charges nearly six quid for a pint of Thatchers.
    About four miles away in a small rural village there's a pub open from noon till 11pm seven days a week.
    A pint of cider is £3.45, a sirloin steak with chips,onions rings and a fried egg is £11.95. Friday night special is fish,chips and peas at £9 for two, eat in or takeaway.
    There's a pretty beer garden, a covered outdoor smoking area and a log fire.
    How do they manage it ? Because they open at a time when people want to eat and drink and at the right price. They treat their regulars as friends not customers.And they get in staff to work when they want a day off.
    Pubs are closing because there's not enough people who can be arsed to run them properly.
    That famous George Orwell piece is worth reading again. He had it nailed all the way back in 1946 and popular busy local pubs still follow the main principles.
    www.orwellfoundation.com/the-orwell-foundation/orwell/essays-and-other-works/the-moon-under-water

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    1. \have to agree with you, Prof. So many landlords have the attitude that they are doing you a favour selling you over priced beer. And opening when it suits them not the customer.
      In the past month there have been a dozen occasions when I have been unable to buy a much needed pint because the pub I was passing was closed.
      And the culture of secrecy, and downright lying, about opening hours doesn't help.
      Tim martin knows this which is why he is so rich.

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    2. Many pubs sell 'overpriced' beer because they're being ripped off by the landlord they're forced to buy it from, often for more than Wetherspoons will retail it for.

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  7. It's your own fault these 1000 pubs went bust. You should have registered them as assets of community value. Then they'd still be pubs. But you didn't, so they aren't. Lazy bone idleness on your part, pal.

    You need to get registering the pubs you still have, before it's too late.

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  8. 70,000?
    46,800 in 2020, 55,400 ten years earlier.
    This is pubaggeddon. Ragnarok. Twilight of the pubs. The end times.
    Time for every man, woman and child to step up and be counted.

    What did you do for pubs today?

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    1. I went down to a local pub only to find that it doesn't open on Tuesdays.

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    2. Had a pint of Sea Fury and a pint of Courage. It was all that was on. If I'm honest neither was very good. But the barmaid is a lovely young minx with a great attitude and she was displaying her tanned washboard abs which cheered this old boy up no end.

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