Saturday, 24 May 2025

Early to bed

Earlier this month, Keir Starmer announced that pubs would be allowed to stay open until 1 am on Thursday 8 May, to mark the 80th anniversary of VE Day. He said “Keeping our pubs open for longer will give people the opportunity to join in celebrations and raise a glass to all of the men and women who served their country, both overseas and at home.”

However, at a time when the pub trade had just been hit with a triple whammy of swingeing increases in National Insurance, the minimum wage and business rates, this was understandably seen by many licensees as a patronising sop that would be of little or no value to them. On a midweek night, it was doubtful whether many drinkers would want to take advantage of it anyway. All the reports were that the actual take-up was extremely low. As Adrian Chiles writes in this article in the Guardian, “I asked around the pubs near me and was met with shrugs and shakes of heads. I didn’t find one that opened late last week. In my local they didn’t even know it had been an option.”

Maybe the response would have been different had it been on a weekend night, but there is a more general feeling that there is much less appetite for late-night drinking than there used to be. One licensee he spoke to said that Covid lockdowns had been a major stimulus for this change, and there certainly was a period when a 10 pm curfew was imposed, where pubs were actually allowed to open at all. But I would say that the trend goes back well before that. Chiles goes on to say:

A while ago, an old friend was back in the area. We met at our teenage haunt – the Station Inn, West Hagley, since you ask. It was great to see him. But come 9.30pm there was a general feeling it was time to call it a night, and off we went. And I realised I couldn’t remember the last time I’d stayed out late enough to hear last orders called.

I took this to be a sad, if not unhealthy, sign of my advancing years. But I’m starting to wonder if it’s not just me. Once upon a time a pub wasn’t really a pub if it didn’t stay open until 11pm. These days, many a pub calls it a night an hour or two earlier if trade is quiet.

I have to say that it’s relatively rare that I’m in a pub at closing time, but one kind of occasion where I am is attending CAMRA meetings. There was a time when you would return to the main body of the pub after the formal proceedings had finished, and find it absolutely packed in the run-up to last orders. But, more and more, while the pub may have been ticking over nicely earlier in the evening, after 10 pm the customers are visibly melting away. Last year, on holiday in Sussex, there were two occasions when I was asked whether I wanted another drink before 9 pm, as they were about to close up.

There are various factors behind this. As well as the ongoing hangover of lockdowns, pubgoers are older on average and less willing or able to burn the candle at both ends, and there is a generally more circumspect attitude towards alcohol in society in general. It’s much less acceptable to turn up at work in the morning nursing a hangover. The liberalisation of licensing hours that allowed many pubs to stay open after 11 pm may perversely have encouraged this by making customers choose their own time to head home rather than having it imposed on them.

It’s not all a one-way street, though. There are times of the day when the trade is healthier than it was once. The popularity of many pubs in the late afternoon after tradesmen have knocked off has been widely observed, and in many cities and large towns pubs can be very busy in the early evening at weekends. But, overall, there has been a marked change in pubgoing habits, and the phrase “the night-time economy” is less accurate than it once was.

And, when we have days of national celebration or commemoration, wouldn’t it make sense to encourage pubs to stay open all day, rather than into the small hours?

23 comments:

  1. I usually start early and finish early, by 6pm. Not so keen watching people defecating on the streets - the current fad. By the way, Adrian Chiles is woke twat.

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    1. 20th Century Relic26 May 2025 at 10:56

      All I know about Adrian Chiles was that he was once married to Jane Garvey. Now she was once an award-winning and endearingly dotty young local radio presenter who sold her soul to corporate national broadcasting. She did, however, make that great comment about champagne bottles at the time of the 1997 General Election, clearly before she was fully 'assimilated'.

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  2. Undeniably true, though some pubs seem to buck the trend that could no way be described as bars or night clubs. I think one of the problems is it is a self fulfilling prophesy. Nobody wants to walk in to a dead pub at 9.30pm, with a visibly annoyed barman who now can't shut up early. So, you don't go, and go home instead. I think if pubs want to attract later clients, they need to make it crystal clear the serving times "we will *always* be open until 10/10.30/11pm!" Therefore the pubs the will be busy are the ones you know you won't be disturbing. Perhaps there is a feeling anyone going in to a pub late on is half-cut or trouble. This ignores all the shift workers or (one half of) parents who might meet a friend after the kids bedtime. If there was a hospital/factory/bus depot nearby, I'd absolutely be trying to tempt them in after a late shift. It would also encourage those wavering at 9pm to stay a little longer if the place was lively.

    The other thing I've noticed is those pubs that attract community / sporting groups like runners or amateur football teams etc do better, as they typically come in after the evenings practice has finished which is often 8.30/9pm. No doubt society has changed, but there's definitely some things pubs can do to drum up weekday trade.

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    1. Pubs that attract sporting groups are getting fewer...one used to see rooms in pubs dedicated to a local Sunday league football team, with trophies and team pictures from years gone by on permanent display. I haven't seen such a room for a long time.

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  3. I remember when pubs in Scotland closed, strictly enforced, at 10 pm and could not open, after compulsory lunch session closure, before 5 pm.
    I only realised the benefits of this later when closing time was changed to what ever the licencee wanted.
    Given that people have limited funds the pub did not take more money in total, but all its costs went up.
    Instead of meandering to the pub about 7pm-ish and being fairly certain of meeting a bunch of mates because the time "window" was small, it was now a much thinner bunch of mates, coming in and disappearing at odd times.
    Then pubs would not open until later in the evening because it was not worth it, and some pubs would just miss nights altogether.
    Then prices per pint went up - see above - so less beer was consumed, which reduced the length of sessions.
    I lived through a golden era. And not just in relation to pubs.

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    1. Yes, restricted hours concentrated the mind. If you can go to the pub any time you choose, you might end up choosing not to bother.

      And yes, on your final point, so many things in this country have gone to shit over the past 25 or so years.

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    2. Very true Curmudgeon. Pub going was such a joy. Everyone enjoying themselves with a smoke and drink. When i worked in London in the 1970's, if you weren't in a Youngs pub by 8pm it was hard to get in. The beer was superb too.

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  4. We had a crawl around Tunbridge Wells yesterday which was very civilised.Back in Maidstone at 7.30 to see a fight outside McDonalds.We are rarely out late & can't remember last time I heard last orders being called.I prefer daytime drinking -perhaps it's just an age thing.I think this late opening for special occasions is not wanted or needed !

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  5. Professor Pie-Tin24 May 2025 at 20:19

    You're right about age. The later I drink the less sleep I get. Watching the rugby last night in a pub I was still drinking at 11pm and that meant a couple of nightcaps when I got home. I had less than 3 hours kip last night. More prostate than postrate.
    But the most pertinent reason and one I lament occasionally on here is cost.
    I'm fortunate enough to be able to drink whatever I want and not worry about it but for most people going to the pub has become a treat rather than routine.

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    1. I am just the same Prof, up to the loo, 3 times a night. Bugger !

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  6. I doubt if "all of the men and women who served their country, both overseas and at home" would have wanted us to "raise a glass" to them. My grandfather was gassed on the Somme and just left the medals posted to him in a drawer for his remaining fifty years.
    Anyway, late evening drinking all but ended with the pandemic, hence my nearest chip shop closing at least two hours earlier, by 9pm.
    And it's not as if any of us regular pub goers are getting any younger. There's times now that I'm ready to get the train home by 5pm.

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    1. Not linked in the slightest to consuming pints of Old Tom, of course ;-)

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  7. Wetherspoons open late, of course!

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    1. They do, but the phenomenon of the trade thinning out in the later evening is very evident there too.

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  8. People go for a drink when they want one, not when pubs tell them they're allowed to have one.

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  9. Gareth Cheeseman26 May 2025 at 00:33

    One factor that limits my late drinking is the paucity of transport home. There are fewer private hire cars in the evening than before and buses are increasingly rare outside of big cities. But maybe pubs are just following the trend of takeaways and closing earlier in the evening.

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  10. At least part of it is wet led pubs becoming dining places, as my local Holt's house has. They do the majority of their trade now at dinnertime, with pensioners who probably don't go out at night, and teatime, mostly families calling in with the kids after school for a meal. I went in with a mate around nine o'clock on a Friday night last year and we were pretty much the only ones there, whereas twenty years ago it would have been rammed with drinkers then. Around the same time, I popped in for a final pint around quarter to ten on a weeknight on my way home from a CAMRA meeting and walked into a completely empty pub. A barman appeared eventually and served me, but his colleagues were clearing up and getting ready to lock the doors.

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  11. 20th Century Relic26 May 2025 at 10:46

    I've always been a 'last hour' drinker, it's a nice way to end the day.

    Yes, there has indeed been a general downturn in evening trade as a result of demographic shift but much of it has been exacerbated by actions and attitudes within the industry itself. I've previously mentioned one of my local pubs persisting with 10pm closing from July 2021 and shooting itself in the foot in the process. Now this pub had a loyal 'last hour' trade up until March 2020 and I can't help wondering how many other pubs suffered a similar self-inflicted wound. This one can't be unique?

    Another cause can be attributed to the 2003 Licensing Act, which was notoriously vague on 'closing time' and omitted to mention 'drinking-up time' altogether. Since then a new generation of licensees with no experience of pub management prior to that time have come on the scene. To put it bluntly, these people have no idea how to run a pub! It was as far back as the mid-2010s when I first encountered 'last orders' being called half an hour before the advertised closing time, more than a few minutes after which you wouldn't be served, with the ideal of having everyone out the door at the aforementioned closing time. Because of this, more and more pubs are simply not very welcoming at the end of the night anyway.

    There can also be a problem the other way round. One of my locals closes at 10.30 on Sunday nights (very 1980s!). Despite being very busy on the night of Sunday 4 May (Bank Holiday weekend) it still closed at 10.30. The weird thing was, it seemed to be just as busy at 11.30, with empty or almost empty glasses on the tables! There was certainly a demand for later opening and I'd be very surprised if the licence didn't permit it. Which brings me to another issue: the increase in 'managed' pubs, where it's a salaried job rather than a livelihood must surely have an effect on the way the business is run?

    And your first paragraph just goes to prove that Keir Starmer is not a pub person!

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  12. One of the pubs near me closed up earlier than normal on 8 May. They were putting the chairs on top of the tables at 9pm.

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  13. Stockport isn't safe after dark. Don't blame you for going home when it's light. Stockport is rough and getting rougher.

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    1. The place requires the civilising influence of Mudge and his beardy pals to stay out setting an example for the kids.

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    2. Strafford Paul27 May 2025 at 18:29

      So it would have been risky for me to catch a train home later than the 5.04pm last Thursday ?
      Thanks.

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    3. The whole country is collapsing into lawlessness and gang, ethnic or drug related conflict. Stay safe. Form groups of pub tickers. CAMRA serve as a protective group for pub visits. Drink with them.

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