The obvious response to this is “well, if you feel so strongly about your pub, why not stump up the money to buy it yourselves?” A growing number of communities up and down the country have been doing just that, a trend that I wrote about back in 2017. In principle, this is a welcome development, moving pubs from the strictly commercial sector to what might be called the heritage sector, in a similar way to preserved railways, where buildings and activities are preserved for their perceived social value over and above their narrow economic utility.
However, as I said in that piece, for a local community, actually buying their pub is only the first step in the process. They then have to go on to find a way to keep it in operation in the long term. A community pub starts off with a built-in advantage over one owned by a brewery or pubco, as it isn’t expected to earn a return on the invested capital, and its owners may well have a better idea of what is likely to appeal to customers in that particular locality. But it may well turn out to be the case that there were valid reasons due to the simple lack of custom in that location that the previous owners were justified in deeming it unprofitable.
An example of this was recently reported with the Samson Inn in Gilsland on the Cumberland/Northumberland border. This was acquired by a Community Benefit Society, but the tenant recently handed the keys back saying that he was unable to make a living out of it.
George Campbell, the pub's tenant, shared a statement on Facebook announcing the decision. “It is with sincere regret that I have to announce that I shall be ceasing to trade the Samson Inn as of close of business Sunday evening (October 26).” He added this was the 'only course of action left open', as the Samson Inn is a 'seasonal business' and it has not been able to run ‘profitably’.Letting a pub out to a tenant is the simplest way of keeping a community-owned pub in business, but obviously that requires the pub to be able to attract enough business to provide a living for at least one person. If that isn’t possible, then the owners will have to consider employing a paid manager, or running it themselves with volunteer labour, possibly with restricted hours, and accepting that they will have to incur an ongoing loss year-on-year to keep their treasured community facility in being.
It’s interesting to consider these issues in the context of the Golden Lion at Ashton Hayes in west Cheshire (shown above), which reopened in August this year after having been closed for ten years, having been acquired by a community interest company. It’s obviously a substantial, professional operation, but comes across as an archetypal pastel-shaded, stripped-pine upmarket Cheshire dining pub. It’s the kind of place where the beer is £5 a pint and you can order a “Sweet potato and kale pie with roasted new potatoes, French beans and tomato relish” for 17.95.
Now I freely admit that this isn’t my favoured style of pub, but it’s not really for me to criticise. Presumably the owners have decided that that is what works best in that particular location and is likely to ensure the pub’s long-term viability. And a slick dining pub is better than no pub at all.
On visiting it, you wouldn’t really guess, though, that it was a community-owned pub. I might expect a pub that set out to be a hub of the local community to be a bit more cluttered and lived-in, with a cosy alcove of bench seating where old boys chew the fat, dogs of indeterminate breed dozing in front of a real fire, a noticeboard advertising a variety of local events, and a collection of dog-eared back issues of Cheshire Life magazine. Maybe it will eventually mellow and become a bit more frayed at the edges; only time will tell.
But this underlines that merely transferring a pub to community ownership is of itself no guarantee of success – you need to have a viable business plan, and if you can’t run the pub profitably you will need deep pockets to fund annual losses.
I remember going in the Golden Lion once or twice in my younger days when I lived in that area. It was a Greenalls pub then, like most in the area, but I never thought it was anything special. Interestingly, following a local referendum, the name of the village was changed a few years ago from Ashton to Ashton Hayes, taking the name of the local “big house”, as it was felt there were too many Ashtons around and it was easily confused.



Sad and slightly surprised to hear about the Samson Inn. I visited a few months back, and my impression was that it seemed to be absolutely thriving, certainly more so than the other pub in the village (Gilsland is possibly unique in having two pubs in the village, each in a different county!)
ReplyDeleteMaybe it's because I was in a large dining group, about 14 people, with Maddy Prior and a bunch of musicians and they put on a special effort for us? The food was excellent; all really good local produce - though I didn't particularly like having to select all three courses 48 hours in advance, as I might feel like something different on the day.
The cask offering wasn't exciting, a fairly standard localish beer (Allendale Golden Plover I think) and GK IPA, which seems inexplicable for a community pub at the other end of the land, unless there was some kind of legacy beer tie / supply arrangement in place. Beer quality was definitely acceptable, and that might be me being slightly harsh. I'd expect something more interesting and crafty in a 'community pub', but that might be just based on the ones I regularly visit down here.
But the place was more or less full, staff were run off their feet on a Thursday evening. Lots of locals with their dogs.No sign that the place was struggling at all, and most 'Community' pubs, again the ones I know well, have notably lower overheads too.
Never been there, but maybe an ambitious dining offer carries a lot of seasonal risk.
DeleteIf pubs can be be run successfully as community hubs, all power to them I say. The Co operative movement has a proud history if you ignore their current descent into an anti semitic sweet shop rinsed daily by shoplifting vagrants. Their are many ways to structure productive enterprise.
ReplyDeleteIt is not without it's risk of ego's, group conflicts and lack of business acumen but there is risk in all approaches and structures.
I'm not breaking a confidence as you've mentioned here before you own a share of a community pub yourself. A share in the Olde Vic in Stockport.
I, your loyal reader, would be interested to hear how that's working out. Do you get more than a share certificate? Any say in anything? Any return on investment? A dividend, a discount, a freebie? I understand a trust owns the freehold and you installed a tenant? How is the building maintenance handled? What could you all do if the tenant altered the business model from something you all clearly appreciate (a quirky CAMRA pub full of tat and odd ball punters) to something you appreciated less (big screens, sky football, fosters lager) ?
Be interesting to read a narrative that was based on your own experience of buying into these fandangoes.
The Olde Vic is untypical in that the community group acquired the freehold with a sitting tenant who was felt to be doing a good job. To be honest, given its location and limited hours I don't regularly go in it, although I will be next Friday on a CAMRA pub crawl. As far as I can tell, it seems to be doing OK with an offer that suits its customers. However, there is obviously an issue with what happens when the time comes for the current tenant to retire.
DeleteIf I remember rightly, The Turf, on the Exe estuary, has always been a 'seasonal pub'. At this time of the year for example, it's only open at weekends. Seems to be doing ok.
ReplyDeleteI put a few quid into our local community owned pub but wish i hadn't bothered. it's not had much luck with tenants and the board that run it don't seem to have much idea on direction beyond giving comfortably off pensioners somewhere to eat out. it's always been a bugbear of mine that they do nothing to encourage younger families, rather than put some swings in the large and attractive garden they put a barely used community allotment in, I thought i'd be having a pint in the sunshine while the kids played but it never happened.
ReplyDeleteIt's on it's 3rd tenant in 7 years and none have yet managed to make a distinctive offer, the food has always been too expensive for what it is and falls awkwardly between Spoons style cheap eats and aspirational gastro - but isn't cheap enough to match the former or high quality enough for the latter, and the "are you dining with us" food focus makes it feel un-pubby.
It is used by some community groups but i struggle to see a long-term future for it. It's a big, handsome building at the centre of the village, but never has a buzz. The first tenant offered a discount to shareholders but the others haven't, in terms of a say that's up to you to get involved on the committee, but who has time? mostly retirees, so the pub is giving them what they want and it's stuck as a mediocre dining pub.
It's a strange one. A mid-market 'casual dining' offering feels like *should* be hugely successful in British pubs, as it is in the USA, especially where it's allied to an in-house brewpub or craft taphouse type outlet.
DeleteAnd yet, trying to fill that gap - as you say, between grim Spoons fodder and serious foodie destination - never seems to work. Almost everything is either dumbed-down and produced to a low cost *or* it's silly expensive and effectively turns places into restaurants rather than pubs, almost always at the expense of the beer and the overall pubgoing experience.
If it is not a secret. How much did you put in? What share does that give you? What return do you get? What say do you get in the operation? How would you extract your equity?
DeleteI'm interested in to what degree these things are an actual investment in the conventional sense or whether they are in fact donations to a local cause wrapped up with a degree of pretence to make you feel part of an exclusive club.
I get the impression in Mudgies case, he's simply spaffed a few hundred at a ropey pub he doesn't go in, but he's wedged so at the end of the day it's only a few bob less for the cats home, and he kinda knew it was when he wrote the cheque. No ones been ripped off. A few middle class people with cash to spare got rinsed slightly.