It’s noticeable how, when an election comes around, politicians suddenly discover an interest in pubs that had been notably lacking in the preceding years. The latest example of this comes from the Labour Party, who have proposed a policy to “give communities a new ‘right to buy’ shuttered pubs.”
It must be said that this is a bit rich coming from the party responsible for the smoking ban and the alcohol duty escalator, and which in the first term of the Blair administration, proposed to cut the drink-drive limit, although that was fortunately kicked into touch. They also consistently demanded longer, harder lockdowns and opposed the full reopening of pubs in July 2021.
However, setting that to one side, what would such a plan involve? Local communities already have the right to put in a bid for pubs that have been declared an Asset of Community Value, and where the owner is proposing to sell them off for alternative use. However, there is no obligation to accept such a bit.
This would seem to beef that up by extending it to pubs that are long-term closed, but where there is no intention to dispose, and potentially to include some degree of compulsory purchase. It has some elements of the idea I postulated in a post about the hard realities of pub closures last year.
It would, of course, be possible to go one step further by requiring any owner wishing to dispose of a pub to at first offer it for sale valued as a going concern for, say, a period of six months. However, this would simply tend to lead to owners closing pubs and sitting on them until any prospect of them appealing to alternative buyers had evaporated. Humphrey Smith is an expert at keeping pubs closed for years at a time. There would have to be a qualifying time period, as otherwise if your micropub in a converted shop failed to prosper, it would be much more difficult to change it back into something else. Plus there would be the question of who would eventually receive the development gains if, after one or two more throws of the dice, it did not prove possible for it to operate as a pub. Realistically, all this would do is to prolong the agony.There are a number of key questions that need to be asked about this proposal:
- How long would a pub have to be closed for this to come into play?
- Would a pub have to have been previously open for a minimum length of time for it to apply? Surely it wouldn’t cover a micropub that had closed after nine months’ trading.
- How would the sale price be assessed?
- Would groups who expressed an interest be expected to put down a deposit to demonstrate serious intent, to avoid frivolous applications jamming up the system?
- How long would groups be given to raise the funds?
- Would there be a requirement that the premises should be operated as a pub, rather than for some other community purpose?
- Who would profit if it proved unsuccessful as a pub and ended up being redeveloped as housing?
If a pub is long-term closed, it will be because its owner wasn’t able to make a go of it. It may be the case that it will do better under community ownership, either because the cost structure is lower, or because a different trading formula is more successful, but that is by no means a given.
The question of future development rights is crucial. If there is a possibility that a pub may be subject to compulsory purchase at below its open market value, and the owner loses all rights to it, that amounts to expropriation of property. It’s conceivable that, if this scheme gets up and running, pub owners will keep pubs open on a “Parliamentary train” basis, with very limited opening hours and offer, to prevent them being snaffled from under their noses.
In any case, even if this policy becomes reality, I would expect it to have very little impact and only cover a handful of examples. It’s just headline grabbing, and no magic bullet for the pub trade. As I said last year, ultimately, the shadow hanging over pubs is not one of lack of supply, but lack of demand. If you want them to survive and prosper in future, you would be better off spending your time promoting the appeal of both pubs and moderate social drinking, rather than engaging in a constant rearguard action of fighting planning battles.
For what it’s worth, I’m not saying that any other party has better policies for pubs, just looking at the implications of this particular one. And I would suggest the best thing for pubs is to be left alone by government, with no new taxes or regulatory burdens.
There are 2 reasons pubs shut.
ReplyDeleteRevenue is too low because of too few customers.
Costs are too high because of taxes, duties, rates, wages, energy, supplies.
If a govt wants to save pubs, it has to step in and help lower costs.
You're simplifying the situation beyond belief. Many pubs shut because of the predatory, toxic conditions of the leases imposed by their owner onto leaseholders, making them unviable outside normal market pressures.
DeleteThe reason pubs shut is capitalism.
ReplyDeleteNationalise them. Keir will have a super majority. We can nationalise all the pubs.
Do away with corporate beer and ensure all beer is vegan healthy and natural and made by artisans and served in pubs we all own.
The unspoken agenda here is selling pubs off at discount prices to be converted to mosques, isn't it?
ReplyDeleteNige 2029 is when we kick 'em out and get the pubs back.
DeleteIt’s a more significant change than I think you have considered. Currently the regulations amount to making it more difficult tom get permission to change the use via asset of community value designation and giving a community group time to make an offer if it comes on the market.
ReplyDeleteThis is forcing the sale of a shuttered pub. Sam Smiths have around half the estate shuttered. Robinsons shuttered a number of Stockport pubs for years waiting for developments to occur that would render those pubs once more valuable real estate. This has paid off for them but arguably not the town.
This affects the balance sheets of any brewer with freeholds forcing them to sell a freehold when the market may be depressed. Though you can argue that companies banking shuttered pubs contributes to town decline by preventing those that would revitalize a town from doing so.
There is precedent in forcing supermarkets to sell land they have bought they are not developing and acquired to prevent competitors from developing. Numerous ideas are often muted about forcing the sale of empty residential properties and squatters already have legal rights.
It’s a significant change to freeholder rights that may have consequences no one can foresee.
That's basically a more detailed version of what I said. But for most closed pubs there isn't exactly a queue of people lining up to buy them, even at a knockdown price.
DeleteTake the Bulls Head on Stockport Marketplace which Robinsons have shuttered for years.
DeleteArguably that hinders the economic development of the marketplace and there is an argument for forcing Robinsons to sell, that another may develop an economic use that supports the development of the area. Robinsons as far as I know are not looking to either sell it for lease it to a tenant. It’s shuttered as they expect either a future value or future utility to be higher dependant on others creating the environment for it to prosper.
On the alternative side, if you want companies like Robinsons to prosper, a forced sale is a hit to their balance sheet. A kick in the teeth, financially. Whilst Robinsons may be able to take a few hits, Sam Smiths have a lot of shuttered pubs they could be forced to sell.
I can't see a community group being able or willing to buy the Bull's Head, tbh. A forced sale at a knockdown price to another commercial operator is another matter entirely. And I suspect rather than take a hit to their balance sheet Robinson's would take steps to preserve it, maybe by briefly reopening it and then closing it again to reset the clock to zero. Humphrey is an expert at doing that.
DeleteThere is no problem so bad that it can't be made worse by government interference.
ReplyDeleteI think you may be overly sceptical about which communities could buy their pub. The community pub association in our tiny village - definitely not a wealthy place - has just managed to raise £95k on community shares and is now waiting to see if the new government will maintain the grants that could match fund it
ReplyDeleteI assume you’re referring to the Miners’ Arms at Nenthead. Best wishes for that particular campaign, but according to this report, “People from all over bought shares, including some from Canada and Hungary, across the UK, and locals.” You would struggle to get that kind of response for a little-known urban pub. And £102k is well below the full purchase price for pretty much any pub, so there’s some other factor at play there.
DeleteWhy are people who automatically live in English villages presumed to be posh and rich? Here in Ireland that is the opposite of assumption.
DeleteOscar
A village will have 2 types of people.
DeleteLocals, mainly inbred for generations, six fingered, toothless, dirt poor & with strange pagan practices involving human sacrifice.
Recent arrivals which will be intelligent, cultured, successful and wealthy and will have moved to what they think is a beautiful part of the world they think is safer and friendlier until they meet the locals and realise they are all going to be raped and murdered and ate in no particular order.
Your description Cookie sounds like something from Gulliver’s travels.
DeleteOscar
Of course Oscar, Ireland is different, as you've said. There are no wealthy newbies to murder.
DeleteVillages in England tend to attract more affluent residents, either commuters or the retired. You have to go well off the beaten track to find a poor village. Hence why they are the most fertile ground for community pub ownership.
DeleteI don't really "have to go well off the beaten track to find a poor village" these past forty years having grown up in a mining town.
DeleteJust setting up a company called Communities Ltd.
ReplyDeleteWill pick up all of Humphries shuttered pubs for a song.
Will open them and allow swearing & phones and I'll sell Bass.
I'll get a mangy cat from the pound for each pub to adopt.
And I'll buy new urinal cakes for every pub and give everything a wipe with them dettol wipes before opening.
How you like them apples?
A pub is a sacred thing. More sacred than any church or temple built to honour the Gods.
ReplyDeleteOnce a building has been anointed and become a pub, it should remain a pub for ever more.
To change its use or knock it down is a blasphemy.
Every pub is is sacred.
Never trust Labour with anything. Remember Socialists steal other peoples money and waste it.
ReplyDeleteWhereas the Tories has proved scrupulously honest with our money. They didn’t hand out billions to dodgy companies owned by their mates during a national emergency for PPE which wasn’t fit for purpose. They didn’t fill the Lords with non doms paying their taxes to another country in return for donations. No, they didn’t rob us blind and treat public service as one long grift. Not at all.
DeleteWe’ve had a national emergency. We can see who did their best for the country and we can see who considered it a grift they could rip us off with. We’ve seen them. The Tory party is dead.
Labour will be no better with people like Rayner in it.
DeleteLucretius,
DeleteBut all Stopfordians I've known have been honourable people.
Anyway, I thought these sites were meant to be about beer and pubs, not politics.
Well, it's about politics insofar as they impinge on beer and pubs and wider lifestyle issues.
DeletePolitics and pubs are very much intertwined because politicians like Tony Blair with his smoking ban, have done their best to kill off the pub industry.
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