Monday, 29 July 2024

Proof of Age

There are a number of pubs around that make claims to be the oldest, whether in their own city or county, in England or in the whole of the British Isles. One of the best-known is Ye Olde Trip to Jerusalem, which allegedly dates from King Richard the Lionheart setting out on Crusade to the Holy Land in 1189. Then there is Ye Olde Fighting Cocks in St Albans, which hit the headlines in 2022 when it was reportedly threatened with closure, bringing to end a record of trading as an inn dating back as far was 793.

These claims add a bit of colour and help enhance pubs’ appeal, but it’s generally recognised that they need to be taken with a pinch of salt and do not necessarily stand up to rigorous historical analysis. And indeed this is shown to be the case in a new book by buildings archaeologist James Wright entitled Historic Building Mythbusting. In this he casts a critical eye over many of the popular beliefs surrounding our inheritance of historic buildings.

For example, there is no evidence that the actual building of the Trip to Jerusalem is older than the 17th century. It was not mentioned as a public house until 1751, and was originally known as the Pilgrim, only gaining its present name in 1799. There are two other nearby pubs, the Bell and the Salutation, that actually have a better claim to be the oldest in the city of Nottingham. Likewise, Ye Olde Fighting Cocks began life as a monastic dovecote around 1400, and was relocated to its present site around 1600. It was first mentioned as a pub in 1756, and at the time was known as the Three Pigeons, receiving its current name in 1807.

On the other hand, there are a number of pubs that have a much more valid claim to great antiquity, but which are not so widely celebrated. Probably the oldest is the George at Norton St Philip in Somerset, still a rather magnificent and commanding building, parts of which can be reliably dated to the late 14th century. Others that can definitely be dated to the early part of the 15th century include the Bull at Ludlow, Henry Tudor House in Shrewsbury and the perhaps better-known galleried New Inn in Gloucester.

Two of the other themes often have a resonance for pubs – “There used to be a secret passage from the pub cellars to the church”, and “This pub was built from old ships’ timbers, you know.” However, both of these are revealed as being largely old wives’ tales. If you think about it, the difficulties in the pre-modern era of excavating and hiding lengthy underground passages, or of transporting large quantities of wood over poor-quality roads, make them both inherently unlikely. But they make a good story!

Amongst the other topics, one of particular interest is the common view is that mediaeval stonemasons would insert the occasional sexually explicit carving into the decoration of churches either because they were disgruntled at not having been paid properly, or because they just wanted to see what they could get away with. But in fact these carvings are so common, and there is so little evidence of official disapproval, that the conclusion has to be that they represent a mediaeval frame of mind that the modern association of Christianity with po-faced Puritanism finds difficult to comprehend.

Maybe the most significant point made in the entire book is debunking the extremely common view that spiral staircases in mediaeval castles were almost always built with a clockwise rotation to give an advantage to right-handed swordsmen defending them against attackers. This is widely prevalent, and is often found in official guidebooks produced by the likes of English Heritage, but has no verifiable foundation whatsoever. A substantial minority of spiral staircases were in fact anticlockwise, including many in Edward I’s famous castles in North Wales, and there is no reference in the Middle Ages to this being a factor in castle architecture.

It’s a substantial and attractively-produced paperback of 228 pages, with an insert of 16 pages of colour photographs to illustrate its themes, and retails at £20. While a book of proper academic rigour, with a full set of references, it is written with a light touch and well leavened with humour,, making it accessible for the general reader. One minor quibble is that it uses a sans-serif typeface and grey rather than black lettering which makes it slightly harder to read than it otherwise could have been. I’d thorough recommend it to anyone interested in old buildings, history or folklore, and it would make an excellent Christmas present for anyone that way inclined.

James Wright is also undertaking an extensive speaking tour to promote the book, which is currently on hiatus, but will resume in the Autumn.

28 comments:

  1. what percentage of this book is pubs?

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  2. I've stayed at the George in Norton St Philip, in the room the Duke of Monmouth stayed in. Great pub.

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  3. It used to be said that The Romper was the oldest pub in Stockport, but it is now closed as a pub. I wonder what the oldest currently open pub in Stockport is? The White Lion maybe? The White Lion might be an obvious choice and has just reopened after many years shut. If it were still shut what would be the oldest? The Strawberry Gardens looks very olde, so does the The Church Inn (Cheadle Hulme).

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    1. The current White Lion building only dates from the Edwardian era. The Arden Arms or possibly the Blossoms must be two of the oldest actual pub buildings in Stockport. Or how about the Three Shires wine bar?

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    2. A distinction also needs to be drawn between the oldest building currently used as a pub, and the oldest building in continuous pub use since its construction. In the wider Borough, the Oddfellows Arms in Mellor is possibly one of the oldest.

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  4. ...the biggest laugh about the claim that the Fighting Cocks is the oldest pub in England is that it isn’t even the oldest pub in St Albans.

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  5. The clockwise staircases urban legend is ridiculous for the simple reason that if enemy swordsmen had breached your castle and were advancing up its staircases, 99 times out of 100 you had already lost...

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  6. It's rather a romantic notion, heritage. a connection with the past and those that came before us.
    It justifies a lot of rubbish though.

    Arguably, the utility of every old pub would be increased if they were knocked down and rebuilt. You could put in proper plumbing, electrics, disabled access, spacious toilets.

    But instead it's more romantic to operate out out of a brick shack that hasn't being really fit for purpose for half a century. Who cares about wheelchairs or the leaky toilet or the mouldy cellar ? It's the oldest pub in christendom . Richard the lionheart had a pint here. Moaned about his pint, mind, said it was crap, then went back to his castle.

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    1. Dicky lion heart went to France where he could get a kronenbourg after tasting real ale.

      But the thing is, Britain never builds anything new. It just polishes old rubbish for tourists.

      That's all Britain is. A historic theme park for Americans.

      So suck it up, your dreadful old mouldy pubs and ropey warm beer.

      Emigrate if you want modernity.

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    2. All this country has is the past. There is no future.

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  7. One of the joys of a hottish summer is watching the pride of England batter some cops in the weeks before the footy gets back underway.
    They won't be fuelled by pong either.
    Proper lout is the fuel of anger on the streets.
    Respect to all our Muslim friends who are fighting back with their own mobs. Two-tier Keir has your back lads.

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  8. FFS, it's nearly 10pm on Wednesday night and having purchased a slab of lout from Tesco in expectation of a night in front
    of the telly watching Blade Runner the Far Right edit all I can see is a load of teachers and NHS workers singing kumbaya which is African for thanks Keir for the above average pay bung.
    You don't think the bastards in the media have lied to us again do you ?

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  9. In all the kerfuffle over those no-show Nazis last night I missed the arrest of Paul Bailey's Australian cousin and his outrage at having his succulent Chinese meal interrupted.
    https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1821330958085238784/pu/vid/avc1/926x720/jSQG7efLmcdaY4uP.mp4?tag=12
    RIP Jack Karlson.

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  10. " Only confirmed followers have access to @oldmudgie's tweets. " Sad to see you going down the Boak and Bailey route before they upped and left because Elon de-woked Twitter ...

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    1. I've temporarily locked my account down, due to the increasingly toxic atmosphere on "beer twitter". It's the opposite of the Boak & Bailey route. And if you decide to follow me you can read my posts.

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    2. Apparently Boak and Bailey haven't closed their X account they're just " Not really here anymore." We need a German phrase for people who proclaim they’re leaving Twitter for a morally superior alternative before sidling back a month later and pretending nothing has happened. Schadenflounce?

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    3. Can you point me in the direction of these toxic beer twatters ?I love watching wankers making a completely bell-end of themselves.

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    4. I'm going to make a wild guess and say Pete Brown is one of them.He's the Big Ben of bell-ends.

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    5. Long since blocked by both Pete Brown and Melissa Cole. Not naming names as it would just inflame things further.

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    6. I've now unlocked my account again, btw :-)

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    7. Melissa Cole latest: " I know its a race to bottom but I’ll be spending much more time on Threads and I’ll try to do the same for Bluesky too, just can’t face much more of Elmo, Don-Old and S Y-L & the hatred they spew on here.

      Heartbroken because we built such a great community, thank you 💔 "

      Another Boak and Bailey who can't quite bring herself to close her X account - " I’ll be spending much more time on Threads and I’ll try to do the same for Bluesky "
      And " we built such a great community ." What a load of pretentious cobblers. I can see why you gave the sour-faced bint a swerve mate.

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    8. She blocked me. I don't block people on Twitter unless they are personally offensive. But she won't be missed. In fact if all the wokies forsake Twitter it will greatly improve it.

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  11. The Cooking Lager posts are not me. Cookie is.In case you were wondering.

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    1. You should be honoured that there is someone masquerading as you!

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    2. I suppose it makes a change from him posing as someone else. Like he thinks we don't notice.

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  12. Professor Pie-Tin17 August 2024 at 08:54

    Pub Closures Latest: Son No 1 called into the Trowbridge Wetherspoons - Albany Palace - last night to check out the £2.2million refurb including expanding into offices next door and what he said were magnificent bi-fold windows fully opened on a pleasant August evening. 30 new jobs have been created. Stowford Press cider was still £2.10 a pint. Britain's favourite publican bar none.

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  13. Morning jobseekers.
    Feeling down in the dumps with the thought of another 5 years of Two Tier, the Ginger Minger and No neck Big Schwartz ?
    Cheers yourselves up with a blast from the past when times were simpler and you weren't jailed taking the piss out of foreigners.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LuIJqF8av6I

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  14. Professor Pie-Tin23 August 2024 at 08:49

    The young lad behind the bar stood me a pint last night.
    I've been encouraging him for weeks as he waited for his A-level results worried that he wouldn't get the grades to do the course he wanted at the uni he wanted. And earlier this week he was successful. I was delighted for him because he's sound.
    " No need for that " I said " I'm just glad things worked out for you. "
    " Oh, thanks, but it wasn't for that. I happened to hear you mention to another local that you'd recommend for breakfast sourdough toast with peanut butter and Marmite with a sliced banana on top and I tried it and it's an 'effing gamechanger. "
    He'll go far.

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