Tuesday 27 August 2024

Forward to the past

I recently saw an interesting report that young drinkers have started to rediscover the delights of traditional pubs. I have to say I see very little evidence of this happening from my own experience, but if it’s being reported there must be some truth in it, and it’s happening in London, which always plays to different rules from the rest of the country when it comes to pubs. And it’s not just pubs in old buildings, it’s what are often disparagingly referred to as “old man pubs”.
You know the place: crown glass windows, button-back banquettes, patterned carpets curling at the edges. A flyer boasting about the Premier League football coverage. Five pints on tap, three of them ales. No food, save for scampi fries, pork scratchings and something indeterminate pickled.
And this is presented as a reaction to the “industrial chic” brewery tap look:
McIntosh cites it as a reaction to the “millennial” aesthetic that took over bars and pubs in the 2010s. “[Those] stripped-back bars with exposed brickwork and industrial lighting. Very moodily lit but ultimately quite boring,” he says. “Where these pubs are a bit more maximal, they’re more interesting — you’re transported back to another time.”
One of the key motivations behind the rise of CAMRA was a rejection of the modernising, rationalising spirit of the 1960s in favour of a much greater emphasis on tradition and individuality. This was mirrored in other trends of the 1970s such as Small is Beautiful, The Good Life and the rising interest in railway and canal preservation.

It was certainly the case when I was a “young drinker” that many of us would make a conscious effort to seek out the less prominent pubs that were unspoilt, quirky and characterful. These pubs often had better and cheaper beer too. For example, we would travel out from university in Birmingham to the Black Country, where unknown beers from breweries such as Batham’s, Holdens and Simpkiss could be found. But it wasn’t just the beer, it was the pubs and their atmosphere too. I blogged about this back in 2009:

It was a journey of discovery – we would find grotty pubs, snooty pubs, dull but welcoming pubs, interesting but unwelcoming pubs, and plenty of pubs of genuine character that we would return to again and again. We knew we had to be respectful to the locals and regulars, so we moderated our behaviour accordingly. One pub in particular, hidden away up a rural cul-de-sac, with two tiny rooms, a quarry-tiled floor and beer straight from the cask, really sticks in the memory. It isn’t like that now, of course.
Back in those days, many people would specifically go to visit particular “character pubs” on the grounds that they were quaint and unspoilt. It was a key part of their appeal. In 1989, Nick and Charlie Hurt wrote a book called In Search of the Perfect Pub, in which they said of the extremely unspoilt Barley Mow at Church Ireton in Derbyshire that it:
“is often packed with young people from the nearby cities of Derby and Nottingham, where most of the pubs are now amusement arcades. They learn how to play dominoes, love the beer and the atmosphere, and revel in the quiet simplicity to be found here.”
I suspect this was significantly reduced by 1989 compared with ten years previously, and now it won’t happen at all.

The general climate began to change in the 1980s, with the growth of the “yuppie” culture and the brief rise of the “fun pub”. And this trend has continued in subsequent years, with the modern craft beer movement being characterised by modernity, innovation and iconoclasm. Tradition is very much left behind.

The kind of pub we are considering may variously be described as “old man pubs”, “traditional pubs”, “proper pubs” or whatever, and these categories, while overlapping, may be defined slightly differently. But, by and large, you know one when you see one. However, even if you want to go to an “old man pub”, they can be increasingly hard to find.

The past forty or so years have seen a steady attrition in their numbers. There has been a dramatic reduction in inner-urban areas, with the smaller pubs that have received less investment often being the first to go. This has spread to the fringes of town and city centres. In more rural areas, again many have closed, and those that remain have often been converted to a food-dominated formula where anyone who just wants a drink and a chat is made to feel out of place.

The simple fact of being located in a old building retaining much of its original layout and fittings does not necessarily mean that a pub qualifies. An “old man pub” can serve straightforward food, but if most of its customers are there to eat expensive, elaborate meals then it fails the test. The same is true if it has turned itself into a self-conscious beer exhibition with ten cask lines and six craft kegs. And, even if most of its customers are old men, no modern micropub is truly an “old man pub”. *

Another thorny issue is that of TV sport. Sport on pay-TV has revolutionised the pub scene over the past thirty years, and there are now relatively few wet-led pubs that don’t have it. To insist that no “old man pub” can have TV sport is greatly restricting the category. It’s more a question of how the sport is managed – whether it’s in every room, and whether the volume is turned off except for big events. It should still be possible to chew the fat over a few drinks. Holt’s brewery rather fall down on this, as they own many pubs that are very traditional in their general appearance and layout, but have an enormous screen in every room.

Of course there is one pub operator where the vast majority of their pubs fall into this category, when they are actually open, namely Samuel Smith’s. But their rigid policy of no mobile devices may deter younger customers, although I understand that it isn’t as strictly enforced in London as it is in the North.

As I said in the introduction, I have seen very little evidence personally of younger drinkers seeking out traditional pubs again. Some people on Twitter did suggest, though, that it was starting to happen in Liverpool and Manchester. The Peveril of the Peak in Manchester was given as an example, of a pub of highly traditional physical appearance that attracts customers of all ages. But I don’t think they’ve spread to the Hare & Hounds yet.

Many social trends turn full circle in the end, although it isn’t a given. There does seem to be a growing feeling that making everything automatic and digital has gone too far. I remember a few years back in the break between Christmas and New Year being heartened by the sight of a group of what I assumed were university students meeting up and enjoying a few drinks and a chat in a traditional multi-roomed pub in an urban fringe location. That’s the kind of thing that pubs should be about. But that particular pub has now become entirely dominated by dining, so that social meeting would not be possible any more.

* For the avoidance of doubt, I’m not saying there’s anything wrong with other categories of pubs. But they’re not “old man pubs”.

24 comments:

  1. This empirical or anecdotal evidence, Mudgie lad?

    I can believe the yoof becoming more price sensitive. A pint in relation to the lower waged income of inexperience is more expensive now than ever.

    I'd observe old man pubs are full of the retired. The craft bars of manchester seem primarily the middle aged blokes that like their adidas Sambas, vinyl records and are currently excited about Oasis. (the band not the drink). The yoof are in Spoons, as far as I can see. it's where you get a wide range of drinks, lots of sugary cocktail jugs, and bargain prices.

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    1. Spoons may be cheap, but it isn't an "old man pub".

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    2. Never said it was. I said the kids are going where it's cheap.
      Maybe in some places the old mans pubs are the cheap pubs.
      but the factor is cheap, not the pub aesthetic.

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    3. But the implication of the article is clearly that this *is* partly down to the character of the pubs. Otherwise it would be "Young drinkers flock to Spoons."

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    4. Nah, Spoons is an anomaly. There are cheaper pubs than Spoons in most town centres, but I don’t see many young drinkers in them. Whereas the cocktail bars selling £6 lager are full of them.

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    5. I know of someone in my year on our end of 6th year night out drank up to eight wetherspoons cocktail pitchers and that was before we went up the road to another pub before last orders, I sensibly stuck to a few pints of casked Irish ale and a pint of Guinness zero in the last pub.
      Oscar

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    6. Spoons pubs in Shrewsbury are full of youngsters.

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    7. But, as I said, Spoons are cheap pubs, but they are not "old man pubs". How many young drinkers are in the Loggerheads and the Cross Foxes?

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  2. My first ever pint I bought by myself was in an old man pub here in Ireland over two years ago at the age of 18. A pint of fairly old fashioned malt dominant ale from a highly reputable independent. I may have asked the barman if I could sit at the counter despite it being relatively empty and just after opening. I ended up talking to a young American man who turned out to be an ex US Marine, conversation was a long and good one, so I made that pub my local.
    Oscar

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  3. Oscar, I never knew you read beer blogs. I didn't even know you drank Harp Lager let alone appreciated the beauty of malt dominant ales. Do your mates think you are weird? Next you'll be telling me your mother has opened a pub arch on the Bermondsey Beer Mile.

    Daddy O

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  4. Sorry Oscar. He's not your Dad.
    Uncle Mudge used to pop round with a bag of cans. Your real Dad likes cans.

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  5. That's it for comments purporting to be from members of Oscar's family.

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    1. So what you're saying is these people claiming to be family can Foxtrot Oscar ?

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  6. Brace yourself Mudgie.
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/30135401/smoking-banned-pub-gardens-football-stadiums/

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    1. You brace yourself for a tirade from 'mudge.

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  7. Don't let the nasty old people bully you, Oscar. I for one welcome your views on malty cask ale. A refreshing change from the usual boomer Faragey coffin dodgers. You get yourself on the wife beater lout, my old son. Treat yourself.

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  8. Wonder if Oscar is a pub garden smoker

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  9. I often frequented “old man “pubs during my late teens and early 20’s, as did many of my friends, and for the same reason as Pub Curmudgeon and his mates. Unspoilt, quirky and characterful, often reflecting the personality of the licensee and his/her staff. I prefer the term “proper pub” or “traditional pub”, although many people will know what we are talking about, even if they are not frequent pub goers or fans of such establishments.
    It’s a shame that the quality of debate on many blogs, including my own, seems to have dropped off in recent months. Instead, as witnessed here, the majority of comments have little to do with what is very much a cause for concern – namely the disappearance of the traditional local. In their place are “contributions” from anonymous commentators, or people who write under pseudonyms, that they obviously find amusing.
    Surely, if you haven’t anything serious to say, then don’t say it, and let’s have some more rational, reasoned and enlightened debate.

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    1. It is grand Paul, they haven’t crossed the line like Eoghan Harris.
      Oscar

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    2. I try not to reject comments unless they're obnoxious or totally off-topic, but I have rejected a few that were just plain silly.

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  10. Another point is that in the 1970s there was no comprehensive database of pubs, so it was possible to discover pubs in all kinds of locations that you never even knew existed.

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    1. Not having that database, was part of the fun, back in the 70's.

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    2. Did you ever come across those "Better Pubs Maps" of counties in the South of England, produced by a guy called Jimmy Young? There are a few on eBay.

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    3. Mudge, I haven't heard of the Better Pubs Maps you refer to, so will have to investigate this subject further.

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